TSLA has sold <100,000 cars and is worth 30bn dollars.

[jaredboice]

Arab terrorist also eat Food, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also drive car, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also use FIAT, No thank you!

Where do you get this ass-backwards thinking?
All people use fiat money, but most people who use BTC use it for nefarious purposes.
Why is this proving so difficult for you to grasp?

TL;DR: If TESLA & Facebook are overvalued, why isn't Bitcoin?

Because there are still people out there not knowing what bitcoin is or can't understand how it seems to work. Some find it too technical to get into this is why people are holding of off using bitcoins.

You mean people don't want to use something that's complicated and confusing, which, with the possible exception of supporting kidnappers, pedos, and terrorists, offers no perceptible benefit?
Surprised?

There's no evidence that most people who use Bitcoin use it for Nefarious purposes.  However, most US Dollars are spent for Nefarious Purposes.  How much in US Dollars have been spent on illegal wars and bailouts for criminal banks? TRILLIONS!  How many hundreds of billions of dollars were laundered by HSBC for Terrorists and Drug Dealers?  How many billions were they fined for it once they got caught?      

Bitcoin isn't much more complicated than email seemed to people at first.  The whole world eventually realized the benefits.  Being able to transmit data and value anywhere in the world virtually instantaneously for little to no fees without a middleman and is more cryptographically secure than credit cards and banks is a monumental benefit.  Troll much?

For every dollar used nefariously, there's a million dollars used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.
For every BTC used nefariously, there's 0 BTC used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.

Email offered unique non-criminal use scenarios, along with perceived complexity. Bitcoin? Lol.
See the difference?

Who cares how many millions of dollars are used for any kind of nefarious activity<>

I do, for one. Your argument is no different than
"Far more people die of natural causes than from getting shot in the face. Therefore, shooting people in the face is life-affirming."
It's just nonsense.

>Email's perceived complexity is not much more than Bitcoin.  Email is being used ok these days, yes?
See boldface.

LOL actually my argument was nothing like that.  Bitcoin has made the criminal banks obsolete the way that email is superior to sending letters via snail mail.  They are both just about as complicated to learn.

I didn't see any boldface?  Not that it really would have mattered much  

>Bitcoin has made the criminal banks obsolete
ORLY? Than why is it that bitcoin money launderers businesses baww like little girls when these "criminals" refuse to do business with them, hmm?

>I didn't see any boldface?
My bet is some sort of organic brain disease. Now made it red for you, see if that helps.

bahaha.  My bad.  I had been trying to find a relevant point, didn't realize it was in your previous irrelevant quote 
I have since edited my previous message in an answer to your message and have made it bold so it is easier for you to find.  I am also making all of this text red so it stands out.

People still use banks as Bitcoin is still fairly new on the scene in the grand scheme of things.  The most practical way at this time to get bitcoins is to trade fiat for them, although as adoption increases, those types of issues will become less and less relevant.  Not to mention that for every bank that doesn't want to deal with bitcoin, there are others who are hopping on the band wagon before it's too late. This is a very easy concept to understand.  But I'll use a metaphor for you since you're a little slow.  Meteors are falling.  Dinosaurs haven't been affected by impact yet.  Coming soon so get out of fiat while there's still time!

[jaredboice]

Arab terrorist also eat Food, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also drive car, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also use FIAT, No thank you!

Where do you get this ass-backwards thinking?
All people use fiat money, but most people who use BTC use it for nefarious purposes.
Why is this proving so difficult for you to grasp?

TL;DR: If TESLA & Facebook are overvalued, why isn't Bitcoin?

Because there are still people out there not knowing what bitcoin is or can't understand how it seems to work. Some find it too technical to get into this is why people are holding of off using bitcoins.

You mean people don't want to use something that's complicated and confusing, which, with the possible exception of supporting kidnappers, pedos, and terrorists, offers no perceptible benefit?
Surprised?

There's no evidence that most people who use Bitcoin use it for Nefarious purposes.  However, most US Dollars are spent for Nefarious Purposes.  How much in US Dollars have been spent on illegal wars and bailouts for criminal banks? TRILLIONS!  How many hundreds of billions of dollars were laundered by HSBC for Terrorists and Drug Dealers?  How many billions were they fined for it once they got caught?      

Bitcoin isn't much more complicated than email seemed to people at first.  The whole world eventually realized the benefits.  Being able to transmit data and value anywhere in the world virtually instantaneously for little to no fees without a middleman and is more cryptographically secure than credit cards and banks is a monumental benefit.  Troll much?

For every dollar used nefariously, there's a million dollars used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.
For every BTC used nefariously, there's 0 BTC used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.

Email offered unique non-criminal use scenarios, along with perceived complexity. Bitcoin? Lol.
See the difference?

Who cares how many millions of dollars are used for any kind of nefarious activity<>

I do, for one. Your argument is no different than
"Far more people die of natural causes than from getting shot in the face. Therefore, shooting people in the face is life-affirming."
It's just nonsense.

>Email's perceived complexity is not much more than Bitcoin.  Email is being used ok these days, yes?
See boldface.
I don't mind having to spend time learning calc., because it lets me do stuff that I want to do. I'm not willing to spend similar amounts of time learnig to use your pedo-pesos, just so that I could be ripped off by some Anon from Moldavia.

In case you have problems finding my previous response:

LOL actually my argument was nothing like that.  Bitcoin has made the criminal banks obsolete the way that email is superior to sending letters via snail mail.  They are both just about as complicated to learn.

As for your boldface: Bitcoin offers TONS of unique non-criminal use cases.  Not the least is the ability to send data and value virtually instantaneously to anyone in the world through any and every border without a middle man for little to no fees! What are capital controls again?? 

[jaredboice]

Arab terrorist also eat Food, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also drive car, no thank you!

Arab terrorist also use FIAT, No thank you!

Where do you get this ass-backwards thinking?
All people use fiat money, but most people who use BTC use it for nefarious purposes.
Why is this proving so difficult for you to grasp?

TL;DR: If TESLA & Facebook are overvalued, why isn't Bitcoin?

Because there are still people out there not knowing what bitcoin is or can't understand how it seems to work. Some find it too technical to get into this is why people are holding of off using bitcoins.

You mean people don't want to use something that's complicated and confusing, which, with the possible exception of supporting kidnappers, pedos, and terrorists, offers no perceptible benefit?
Surprised?

There's no evidence that most people who use Bitcoin use it for Nefarious purposes.  However, most US Dollars are spent for Nefarious Purposes.  How much in US Dollars have been spent on illegal wars and bailouts for criminal banks? TRILLIONS!  How many hundreds of billions of dollars were laundered by HSBC for Terrorists and Drug Dealers?  How many billions were they fined for it once they got caught?      

Bitcoin isn't much more complicated than email seemed to people at first.  The whole world eventually realized the benefits.  Being able to transmit data and value anywhere in the world virtually instantaneously for little to no fees without a middleman and is more cryptographically secure than credit cards and banks is a monumental benefit.  Troll much?

For every dollar used nefariously, there's a million dollars used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.
For every BTC used nefariously, there's 0 BTC used to buy baby formula, build roads & hospitals.

Email offered unique non-criminal use scenarios, along with perceived complexity. Bitcoin? Lol.
See the difference?

Who cares how many millions of dollars are used for any kind of nefarious activity<>

I do, for one. Your argument is no different than
"Far more people die of natural causes than from getting shot in the face. Therefore, shooting people in the face is life-affirming."
It's just nonsense.

>Email's perceived complexity is not much more than Bitcoin.  Email is being used ok these days, yes?
See boldface.

LOL actually my argument was nothing like that.  Bitcoin has made the criminal banks obsolete the way that email is superior to sending letters via snail mail.  They are both just about as complicated to learn.

I didn't see any boldface?  Not that it really would have mattered much  

>Bitcoin has made the criminal banks obsolete
ORLY? Than why is it that bitcoin money launderers businesses baww like little girls when these "criminals" refuse to do business with them, hmm?

>I didn't see any boldface?
My bet is some sort of organic brain disease. Now made it red for you, see if that helps.

bahaha.  My bad.  I had been trying to find a relevant point, didn't realize it was in your previous irrelevant quote  
I have since edited my previous message in an answer to your message and have made it bold so it is easier for you to find.  I am also making all of this text red so it stands out.

People still use banks as Bitcoin is still fairly new on the scene in the grand scheme of things.  The most practical way at this time to get bitcoins is to trade fiat for them, although as adoption increases, those types of issues will become less and less relevant.  Not to mention that for every bank that doesn't want to deal with bitcoin, there are others who are hopping on the band wagon before it's too late. This is a very easy concept to understand.  But I'll use a metaphor for you since you're a little slow.  Meteors are falling.  Dinosaurs haven't been affected by impact yet.  Coming soon so get out of fiat while there's still time!

What's wrong with you? Why the red text? Is cap lock next?
Regardless, my pint is an obvious one:

You mistakenly claimed that Bitcoin made real banks obsolete. I pointed out your error by drawing your attention to Bitcoin money launderers businesses whining like little girls and begging Nanny State to make it all better, whenever Mean Old Banksters decide not to play with them.
In other words, "OMG it's so unfair that banks don't help us put them out of business! Like they don't even care how we feel!!!1!"

Listen to yourself, FFS

Since you didn't see my response to your irrelevant statement, I have added the CAPS as requested, in hopes that you will see it this time:

PEOPLE STILL USE BANKS AS BITCOIN IS STILL FAIRLY NEW ON THE SCENE IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS.  THE MOST PRACTICAL WAY AT THIS TIME TO GET BITCOINS IS TO TRADE FIAT FOR THEM, ALTHOUGH AS ADOPTION INCREASES, THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES WILL BECOME LESS AND LESS RELEVANT.  NOT TO MENTION THAT FOR EVERY BANK THAT DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH BITCOIN, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE HOPPING ON THE BAND WAGON BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.  THIS IS A VERY EASY CONCEPT TO UNDERSTAND.  BUT I'LL USE A METAPHOR FOR YOU SINCE YOU'RE A LITTLE SLOW.  METEORS ARE FALLING.  DINOSAURS HAVEN'T BEEN AFFECTED BY IMPACT YET.  COMING SOON SO GET OUT OF FIAT WHILE THERE'S STILL TIME!
 

[bitebits]

100,000 cars is nothing. It might as well be zero.
[...]
And the younger generation doesn't even use Facebook anymore. They have moved on to Snapchat. Yet Facebook is worth 300 billion now.
[...]
By January 2017, bitcoin should be worth at least 6x to 20x the current price. $2000 to $7000. If bitcoin is not worth at least $2000 by January 2017, then something is very wrong.

Don't you think that because Snapchat is used by the younger generation, Facebook has a market cap of 300bn? And Tesla 30bn because of only 100k cars?
The market caps would likely be higher if there was more usage. Tesla is mostly based on it's potential growth, just like the stocks of some pharmaceutical companies with a potential cure for some currently incurable decease. 

Bitcoin is in it's pre-IPO stage. Nobody knows if or when it will or can be used by a bigger group of people or companies. Seeing Bitcoin struggling and fighting to grow is an awesome journey. Try to enjoy the ride and not focus on it's dollar valuation, but on the usage instead. There is such potential!


Ugh. The trolling and deliberately derailing topics on Bitcointalk is getting painful.

[jaredboice]

... Seeing Bitcoin struggling and fighting to grow is an awesome journey.

Like watching a hideous cancerous tumor, with putrid oozing lesions and everything. Macabrely fascinating. I, for one, can't turn away.

@jaredboice: You're the first user I've put on ignore. Try to find some help for your Assburgers flareups

What's the matter, you don't like feeling retarded after reading my posts? 
Not too sure how your bankster employers will feel about that though.  You can't spread FUD when someone is constantly deflecting your bullshit without you knowing about it 

[koryu]

Tl;Dr but I love tesla, they have a great strategy introducing electric cars. Also Elon Musk is a great personality.
Also Facebook is not only a social network,  like amazon is not only a web shop and Google is not only a search engine.
All these companies will be leading in the most important technology in this century: artificial intelligence and big data.

But I agree that bitcoin is undervalued.

[jaredboice]

"Sinistercoin666: This user is currently ignored." 

[btcxyzzz]

Bitcoin has transmitted millions of dollars worth of value across the world for pennies without any bankers involved. Yet it's worth 5 billion. This is absurd when you look at the valuations of other tech assets. Bitcoin was started in January 2009. Eight more years brings us to January 2017. That is in 13 months. By January 2017, bitcoin should be worth at least 6x to 20x the current price. $2000 to $7000. If bitcoin is not worth at least $2000 by January 2017, then something is very wrong.

What is wrong is that Facebook and other NSA/CIA agents are praised by USA government because they work together in symbiosis. Such symbiosis can't be made between Bitcoin and mentioned powers thus the Bitcoin is pretty much slowly penetrating. Still, it's the most important invention after Internet, we just need a critical mass of adopters and then everything could explode. On the other hand, if powers use all their power to stop it, I think we can witness 1-cypher USD price, but it would be still functional on the darknet. What will happen first is anybody's guess, all I know marketcap right now is completely ridiculous.

[jaredboice]

Bitcoin has transmitted millions of dollars worth of value across the world for pennies without any bankers involved. Yet it's worth 5 billion. This is absurd when you look at the valuations of other tech assets. Bitcoin was started in January 2009. Eight more years brings us to January 2017. That is in 13 months. By January 2017, bitcoin should be worth at least 6x to 20x the current price. $2000 to $7000. If bitcoin is not worth at least $2000 by January 2017, then something is very wrong.

What is wrong is that Facebook and other NSA/CIA agents are praised by USA government because they work together in symbiosis. Such symbiosis can't be made between Bitcoin and mentioned powers <snip>

Could you remind me who provided the so-called encryption used by Bitcoin?
Just a coincidence, I know

Could you remind me why the money powers would knowingly contribute to the creation of a decentralized open-source monetary system more secure than the one that exists, that doesn't require them as middle men anymore, that requires little to no fees to send transactions anywhere in the world that can't be stopped by capital controls, that can't be inflated like the current system, and rewards anyone on the planet for participating?  

The FUD is strong in this one...

[jaredboice]

Bitcoin has transmitted millions of dollars worth of value across the world for pennies without any bankers involved. Yet it's worth 5 billion. This is absurd when you look at the valuations of other tech assets. Bitcoin was started in January 2009. Eight more years brings us to January 2017. That is in 13 months. By January 2017, bitcoin should be worth at least 6x to 20x the current price. $2000 to $7000. If bitcoin is not worth at least $2000 by January 2017, then something is very wrong.

What is wrong is that Facebook and other NSA/CIA agents are praised by USA government because they work together in symbiosis. Such symbiosis can't be made between Bitcoin and mentioned powers <snip>

Could you remind me who provided the so-called encryption used by Bitcoin?
Just a coincidence, I know

Could you remind me why the money powers would knowingly contribute to the creation of a decentralized open-source monetary system more secure than the one that exists, that doesn't require them as middle men anymore, that requires little to no fees to send transactions anywhere in the world that can't be stopped by capital controls, that can't be inflated like the current system, and rewards anyone on the planet for participating?  

Lol, they'd never contribute to something like that. Now a honeypot for dangerous batshit crazies with a grudge against society... that they'd gladly contribute to.
And did.
Welcome to Bitcoin!

The money powers can't never contribute to the creation of a decentralized open-source monetary system more secure than the one that exists, that doesn't require them as middle men anymore, that requires little to no fees to send transactions anywhere in the world that can't be stopped by capital controls, that can't be inflated like the current system, and rewards anyone on the planet for participating  (an oversimplified definition of bitcoin) while at the same time have contributed to the creation of a decentralized open-source monetary system more secure than the one that exists, that doesn't require them as middle men anymore, that requires little to no fees to send transactions anywhere in the world that can't be stopped by capital controls, that can't be inflated like the current system, and rewards anyone on the planet for participating 

Further more, it's ridiculously hysterical that someone would spend all their time on a forum dedicated to something that the same someone defines as a honeypot for dangerous batshit crazies with a grudge against society... 
Surely this guy is not a troll with an agenda 

[chesthing]

You can't dispute a bitcoin charge. Buy a bitcoin today it may be worth less tomorrow, maybe a lot less.
And you guys wonder why the masses don't want it.  
Bring in a third party and their fees to fix the first problem, implement gov regs to fix the second - and then wtf is the point of bitcoin? it has niche uses, but the masses are not going to go for it, and for good reasons.

[r0ach]

Like watching a hideous cancerous tumor, with putrid oozing lesions and everything. Macabrely fascinating. I, for one, can't turn away.

^Oh look, it's the JIDF, Zionazi, pro-central banking shill that's being paid to create anti-Bitcoin accounts and has already made something like 5000 of them spamming the forum some more.  Your accounts are useless now that people already know where all those fake accounts originate from.