directbet scammed me !!

[DirectBet]

Official Response from DirectBet :

1. The person who created this thread did order two bets on Atletico Madrid Match Odds but the bets were never funded.

Here are the bets ordered :

http://www.directbet.eu/betStatus.cshtml?BetID=1H4k7ARfW84dkgX9tmhscyYZDMhtV57Nzf
http://www.directbet.eu/betStatus.cshtml?BetID=1HdJzgXSgv81dyMUQC8AVudTJRW7pNKiW1

And here is a proof from the blockchain that they were never funded :

https://blockchain.info/address/1H4k7ARfW84dkgX9tmhscyYZDMhtV57Nzf
https://blockchain.info/address/1HdJzgXSgv81dyMUQC8AVudTJRW7pNKiW1

2. The image showing the bet was lost before the game even started is a faked image. He captured the bets above that were never funded and used Photoshop or other similar programs to edit the image to make it look like the bet was lost.

How can we be so sure ?

If you look at the screen capture that he sent from his wallet :

https://i.imgur.com/6ZnYqZX.png

You will see the time this transfer was initiated is 9:29 UTC, but the bet was ordered on our website on 9:44 UTC.

In other words, this transfer was made before the bet was ordered on our website ! This is a proof that he simply made a transfer to himself or picked a random transaction ID from the blockchain in order to later use it to fake a bet.

For those of you who don't know, you need to first order the bet on our website before you are given an address where to send your wager to. Here this transfer was made before the bet was ordered !

3. He created this scam thread before even contacting our support team. This is another indication that his intention was just to spread FUD on DirectBet.

4. We sent him a private message right after he created this thread with a proof that his bets were never funded. That was 5 days before the game started. He never replied to our message, and now one month later he comes back to post in this thread.

This is another proof that his intention was just to harm our reputation.

If it was indeed a real bet, he would have replied to our message. We had 5 days before the game started to resolve the matter.

Yesterday, after being silent for one full month, he came back straight to bump this thread. Here again if there was really a problem he could have replied to our message, but he didn't because he knew the bet is faked. All he really wanted is to spread some bad publicity on DirectBet.

The conclusion is that kunal1 is either a scammer or a competitor hiding behind a newbie account in an attempt to spread FUD on DirectBet.

Luckily everything is recorded in the blockchain and it is the evident that his bets were never funded and that the screen capture he posted is faked.


By the way, notice that his Bitcointalk account was created and used solely for the purpose of creating this thread and attempting to scam other members. He created another thread titled "How to Set up a Ponzi ?" :




This thread can be found here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1218822.msg12770093#msg12770093

Also another scam attempt by this guy :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1204968.msg12649534#msg12649534

[poplolnman]

1. OP had a bad trackrecord by made post "how to set up a ponzi web" it's absolutely bad plan and it could grow to another similar scam attemp like this one fake claim to make easy money.
Directbet won't risk their reputation for just 2.3 btc i am sure on it.
2. now it's hard to believe that the address is not belong to directbet since this trx b1ed6c002e9fc2f3052bb24aae60c3752b994745d168b5ffd34f72994ee2a505 have a exact number as screenshoot that op provided. but still it coud be manipulated by photo editor software and if true op was a pro editor since his photo very smooth.
3. i have search op address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS directly on google , and it shown to directbet at first page here is my query

Code:

https://www.google.com/search?q=18bWErmaXJTUT1M4TW7f8Tx8fxBWhxiHiC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS

i was thinking this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet

why? if you put your address or whatever address in google search engine the result wasn't to directbet. but if you put this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS the result are directbet.

i don't know what happened to directbet but system is a system there always something failed and wrong .

[kunal1]

1. OP had a bad trackrecord by made post "how to set up a ponzi web" it's absolutely bad plan and it could grow to another similar scam attemp like this one fake claim to make easy money.

I just asked how to set up ponzi as i am new to these things and i have learned about ponzi here on the forum only. and after people start calling it as a bad idea , i just locked the thread and upto that i don't have much time to do all these activities as i am service man.

Directbet won't risk their reputation for just 2.3 btc i am sure on it.
2. now it's hard to believe that the address is not belong to directbet since this trx b1ed6c002e9fc2f3052bb24aae60c3752b994745d168b5ffd34f72994ee2a505 have a exact number as screenshoot that op provided. but still it coud be manipulated by photo editor software and if true op was a pro editor since his photo very smooth.

I am not pro in any field nor i have urge to do these faky stuffs , all i find is god may punish who scammed , it will directly go to their father.

3. i have search op address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS directly on google , and it shown to directbet at first page here is my query

Code:

https://www.google.com/search?q=18bWErmaXJTUT1M4TW7f8Tx8fxBWhxiHiC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS

i was thinking this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet

why? if you put your address or whatever address in google search engine the result wasn't to directbet. but if you put this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS the result are directbet.

i don't know what happened to directbet but system is a system there always something failed and wrong .

exactly the same i am saying i did what the site said to me , if this was their internal staff of Middleman ion their site , i am not responsible for it , its their fault , i did what i was told/instructed on site , and Directbet says me that the time is different ,Man time is different as captured by different networks , example if you send a transaction by blockchain.info and you record the time of transaction sent and again see the blocktrain or other services you will surely find the difference in time and if the network is busy you will find blockchain.info will say that "the following transaction does not exist" but blocktrail or others will say it as a transaction made.
Moreover Google will not say fake , nor i can fake google , unless i am a pro.
Again i will say politely to directbet i am not your competitor nor i want to be all i want to say is that those coins were earned from my money , and i bet for entertainment but those have gone without entertaining , the eventually fact is everyone loose in gambling for long period , but i was lucky so i am screaming else i would have left that , now it is up to you , all google and everything is up to you and this forum can take right decesion.

[kunal1]

One more thing i would like to say about the timestamp :
Any Bitcoin user from a long time can know it but i will explain it here fully.

the xapo transacted the coins at

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9:29:03

(from xapo.com) and blockchain detects or gets broadcasted it at

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Received Time	2015-09-10 09:42:18

(from blockchain.info transaction) , on the other hand blocktrail.com says the transaction was made at

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Relay time	
Thursday, September 10th 2015, 2:29:03 -07:00

(from blocktrail.com transaction)

I also said previously in op that the transaction was not confirmed and i was feared , may be because transaction was not detected by blockchain.info or was detected early by blocktrail.com or vice-versa , Its upto forum to decide moreover it is the nature of directbet tea  to decide the truth , i know directbet wont scam me for this coins but the truth is all here with google and transactions report all here , just google all stuffs and let me know i am cheater , my children will die then or the person who scams me.

[|Ocean|]

3. i have search op address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS directly on google , and it shown to directbet at first page here is my query

Code:

https://www.google.com/search?q=18bWErmaXJTUT1M4TW7f8Tx8fxBWhxiHiC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS

i was thinking this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet

why? if you put your address or whatever address in google search engine the result wasn't to directbet. but if you put this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS the result are directbet.

i don't know what happened to directbet but system is a system there always something failed and wrong .

Even I searched the address and found directbet at the first place in search result..I think some insider in directbet  or flaw, a system is a system .

[poplolnman]

3. i have search op address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS directly on google , and it shown to directbet at first page here is my query

Code:

https://www.google.com/search?q=18bWErmaXJTUT1M4TW7f8Tx8fxBWhxiHiC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS

i was thinking this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet

why? if you put your address or whatever address in google search engine the result wasn't to directbet. but if you put this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS the result are directbet.

i don't know what happened to directbet but system is a system there always something failed and wrong .

Even I searched the address and found directbet at the first place in search result..I think some insider in directbet  or flaw, a system is a system .

confirmed, the result of this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS on search engine was shows to directbet in first place. so it's not only on my side.
i am here act netral , no for op nor directbet. i love on directbet service , but i just want to help and try to find something wrong here.

so is proof above strong enough to convince that this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet?
let's see what claim that directbet will taken.

[Mitchell]

I can't find anything that suggest that DirectBet has scammed you kandal1. The Google Cache shows the same result and when I followed the money trail, it doesn't show anything that would suggest that DirectBet received it. I just followed one of my own transactions that I made to DirectBet and the funds were sent to a hot wallet within one transactions. When I followed yours, I couldn't find any hot wallets within 4 transactions.

For now I'm siding with DirectBet. Something is off with your story kandal1.

Proof for my statement
My last transactions with DirectBet: https://www.DirectBet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1Lu75HXqciKmCnRJt49iYcGL9SsLsv2PdF

Let's follow the money trail with WalletExplorer:
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/741168220b504029?from_address=1Lu75HXqciKmCnRJt49iYcGL9SsLsv2PdF
If you press the very first link ([21f3657b0f]), you will see that links to a hot wallet (aka. my money was sent to a hot wallet, which is 100% logical).

But what about kandal1's transactions?
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/074bd51c1ac20683?from_address=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS
Now, press the first link ([1f6f99d0bb]) and you will see that it isn't a hot wallet. Open those links as well, still no hot wallet. If you open all those links as well, you still won't find a hot wallet.

[everaja]

3. i have search op address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS directly on google , and it shown to directbet at first page here is my query

Code:

https://www.google.com/search?q=18bWErmaXJTUT1M4TW7f8Tx8fxBWhxiHiC&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS

i was thinking this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS was belong to directbet

why? if you put your address or whatever address in google search engine the result wasn't to directbet. but if you put this address 1EN5peMSci95z1QcETihz8aYiDLCpse6XS the result are directbet.

i don't know what happened to directbet but system is a system there always something failed and wrong .

Even I searched the address and found directbet at the first place in search result..I think some insider in directbet  or flaw, a system is a system .
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Even i searched google and found the same Result showing that the address belonged to directbet , may be this was some intentional removal of address from database from someone working with directbet system , i would not blame directbet though it is shady.

I just followed one of my own transactions that I made to DirectBet and the funds were sent to a hot wallet within one transactions. When I followed yours, I couldn't find any hot wallets within 4 transactions.

It is not necessary to get deposit the initial funds to your hot wallet always , Hope coinbase , xapo , btcxindia , and many more multi signature website works the same way , but the initials can also be used to send funds directly to the other person who has just won any bets .
For example My bet that i made previously :https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1BRYESedSye1bc5LwbWqyRtAoX2uw6cfAh

the initial funds sent to the address of another guy after just one intermediate transaction , and it does not even need for that intermediate transaction if the amount is needed much urgent , i have done few referral on coinbase and found one address of mine sent coins to another address of mine , so i concluded it.

I have bet on directbet and am always happy but quite sometime delay but thats ok , but it does not mean that system is always flawless , A system is indeed a system.

edit:The OP Scam report seems worrying to me because it was made 5-6 days before the game started , and much important is that it was a won game , if though it was a lost game then would system have given/accepted that it was folly from their side ?? I think then it would have been to minimize the publicity , I would like to hear directbet on this ground.

[Mitchell]

It is not necessary to get deposit the initial funds to your hot wallet always , Hope coinbase , xapo , btcxindia , and many more multi signature website works the same way , but the initials can also be used to send funds directly to the other person who has just won any bets .
For example My bet that i made previously :https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1BRYESedSye1bc5LwbWqyRtAoX2uw6cfAh

the initial funds sent to the address of another guy after just one intermediate transaction , and it does not even need for that intermediate transaction if the amount is needed much urgent , i have done few referral on coinbase and found one address of mine sent coins to another address of mine , so i concluded it.

Please, for the love of god, try to write proper English. I can barely follow what you are trying to say here, so I'll just focus on what I've made bold (as that's the part I could understand).

What you are saying is incorrect, as your bet was put into a hot wallet as well (as you can see on the Wallet Explorer website). Press the first link you see ([0204b3315a]), follow the first link there as well ([0004a536b7]) and guess what you'll find. Exactly, a hot wallet! The difference between you and kandal1 is that it happened within 2 transactions, but with his, it didn't even after checking 20 of them.

[everaja]

What you are saying is incorrect, as your bet was put into a hot wallet as well (as you can see on the Wallet Explorer website). Press the first link you see ([0204b3315a]), follow the first link there as well ([0004a536b7]) and guess what you'll find. Exactly, a hot wallet! The difference between you and kandal1 is that it happened within 2 transactions, but with his, it didn't even after checking 20 of them.

It is always not necessary to deposit your initial coins to a hot wallet instead it can be used to feed the requirement of a winner who just won any bet over the site.

[Mitchell]

If you say so. Just do me a favor and follow his money trail and you will see that his coins never get to a hot wallet (which is highly unlikely seeing how much he sent). You could argue they were put into a cold wallet bit you would be able to see that as well. So I'm sticking with what I said earlier.

[DirectBet]

1. OP had a bad trackrecord by made post "how to set up a ponzi web" it's absolutely bad plan and it could grow to another similar scam attemp like this one fake claim to make easy money.

I just asked how to set up ponzi as i am new to these things and i have learned about ponzi here on the forum only.

Not just that you tried to set up a Ponzi, you also tried to scam members here by claiming you are a known LocalBitcoins trader.

It looks like all you are trying to do here on Bitcointalk is to scam people.

Before we can continue and discuss with you, how about you show us a proof that you are Swisswatcher from Localbitcoins as you claim ?

https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/Swisswatcher/

"This user has verified Swiss cell phone number and you have written in your profile that you are a trader from Bangladesh."

[twister]

I have been betting on directbet from a long time now and haven't had any problems but just a suggestion directbet, since this is an on chain site, maybe you guys should provide a signed letter of guarantee when a new address is issued for betting, same way as bitmixer.io does, which confirms that the address provided by the site is indeed legit. I still think what happened is the user was a victim of a MITM attack, he was shown a fake page with fake address and he ended up sending btc to a hacker's address.

Also, this is an old thread, I wonder why he stopped responding to it when DB first contacted him, which seems a bit suspicious to me.

[kunal1]

"This user has verified Swiss cell phone number and you have written in your profile that you are a trader from Bangladesh."

Yeas i accept my mistake that i tried to become a reputed seeler and tried to slod my coins , because i thought if i am not verified no one will trade with me.
I have not scammed any one here , nor sent invitation to to buy , i always mentioned that i can use escrow , if escrow is there then there is no point of scamming.

The above was off topic but was vital as direct-bet was asking , I can provide you my driving license that i am from Bangladesh.

But what i want to say is that if i changed my name or a anything will that mean that you can scam me??

Google result is there (universal proof) and time stamp recorded by different services are there. I just asked politely and you are making me scream , If I am a lair and bad guy will that mean you will scam me?? And for your kind information i have not scammed any one.

Its all up to you to do the justice.

[kunal1]

I have been betting on directbet from a long time now and haven't had any problems but just a suggestion directbet, since this is an on chain site, maybe you guys should provide a signed letter of guarantee when a new address is issued for betting, same way as bitmixer.io does, which confirms that the address provided by the site is indeed legit. I still think what happened is the user was a victim of a MITM attack, he was shown a fake page with fake address and he ended up sending btc to a hacker's address.

Also, this is an old thread, I wonder why he stopped responding to it when DB first contacted him, which seems a bit suspicious to me.

sir , i dont know what was that , but i know i sent coins to the wallet they provided , If it was attack on their site or if it was their staff then i dont have my fault in this. If i would had lost my bet then they would surely accepted their mistake and would have told yes it was eror , but see as i have won the game they are manipulating , why google will say in favor of me, if i am a thief.

[Quickseller]

I am going to side with Mitchell (and directbet) on this one. It is expected that coins will first be sent to an address that can be spendlinked to many other addresses (and/or an address that has many transactions associated with that site) that are associated with the site prior to the site using those inputs to payout winning bets/withdrawals. I doubt that the wallet that Mitchell found is the only hot wallet, however it is most likely associated with direct bet.

There is also the issue that it appears that the OP sent the transaction prior to "order" the bet which means that he would have no way to know which address to send the BTC to. Sure it is possible that he was the victim of a MITM attack and/or of browser malware however sending the BTC prior to ordering the bet makes this unlikely.

[everaja]

Yeas i accept my mistake that i tried to become a reputed seeler and tried to slod my coins , because i thought if i am not verified no one will trade with me.
I have not scammed any one here , nor sent invitation to to buy , i always mentioned that i can use escrow , if escrow is there then there is no point of scamming.

Its all up to you to do the justice.

That was the worst part of yours , i feel shame on you .
I can believe that BTC can be sent to another address MIMT attack , even i can agree that the wallet belonged to Directbet (internal staff fault) but you ruined all yourself .

[twister]

Ok. I thought the bet shows the bet initiated time but I was wrong, it shows the event start time. But DirectBet is right and OP is lying.

You will see the time this transfer was initiated is 9:29 UTC, but the bet was ordered on our website on 9:44 UTC.

There is no way he knew where to send the BTC at 9:29 UTC and the TX was confirmed on the blockchain at 9:42 which is also prior to the bet was initiated at DirectBet.

https://blockchain.info/tx/b1ed6c002e9fc2f3052bb24aae60c3752b994745d168b5ffd34f72994ee2a505


I don't think now that it was an MITM attack, OP was trying to scam very cleverly but he got caught in his own lie.

Also OP, where did you went for 2 months, DB responded the same day you opened this accusation and after that you vanished and came back after 2 months. If someone had lost 2.32+ BTC they wouldn't just forget about it, I would expect them to stay active on the topic but you didn't. Which seems a bit shady to me.