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August 06, 2016, 06:53:26 AM
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Good thing that the guy who was charged of money laundering was ruled as not guilty.  Though it is like an entrapment to me as they are police that pretended to be interested on the bitcoins.  People are not aware of bitcoins.  Some were unaware of what it can do.  The buyer maybe was intrigued by the bitcoin and thought that he was being duped by this guy that there is such a thing and then filed a case.  Hope that maybe one day bitcoin will be famous enough to the entire world and can be considered as a real thing.
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August 06, 2016, 07:03:44 AM
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Good thing that the guy who was charged of money laundering was ruled as not guilty.  Though it is like an entrapment to me as they are police that pretended to be interested on the bitcoins.  People are not aware of bitcoins.  Some were unaware of what it can do.  The buyer maybe was intrigued by the bitcoin and thought that he was being duped by this guy that there is such a thing and then filed a case.  Hope that maybe one day bitcoin will be famous enough to the entire world and can be considered as a real thing.
Definitely sounding like entrapment, but I don't know all the details of the story so there are a lot of things that aren't necessarily accurate to assume. If the cops forced him into it then I can see something like that being an issue, but it sounds like he did it on his own accord. Then again I don't know much about entrapment laws so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

A Florida judge ruling Bitcoin as not being money though, might be a good thing. I'll wait and see what comes of this, but this might make it harder to tax, or difficult to classify.
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August 06, 2016, 07:18:14 AM
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http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/judge_rules_bitcoin_isnt_money_tosses_money_laundering_charges/

    The Takeaways
    • Under cover feds buy Bitcoin from defendant, tell him it's so that they can purchase stolen credit cards
    • Feds arrest him for operating an unlicensed Money Services Business (MSB) and money laundering
    • Defense argues that Bitcoin is not money, so he cannot be operating an unlicensed MSB or money laundering
    • Judge ruled Bitcoin is not money and also that the defendant selling his Bitcoin did not constitute money laundering because he had no intention to promote an illegal activity (purchase stolen credit cards)
    • This case is believed to be the first money laundering prosecution involving Bitcoin


    In my own opinion, this is a setback to the acceptability of Bitcoin by companies it firms in the world and also give credence to the insinuation that Bitcoin is used by criminals. It will also give government the reason to look into the direction of Bitcoin in order to clamp down on the freedom being enjoyed by the currency. This is not god news at all, it will afffect the relevance that Bitcoin is trying to get... MY opinion though[/list]
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    August 08, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
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    Of course he will toss charges. Its hard to believe for me that a country which insists a lot in promoting itself as a Free Country like USA will want to put in jail some person just because he is selling some bitcoin. The agent may wanted to make this a case but Espinoza the guy who sold the coins to a agent undercover have not broke any law in USA. Its without a doubt a right decision from the judge although not an expert in economics. Lastly its funny how the agent wanted to make this a case of money laundering with only 3-4 bitcoin involved which is maximum amount of 3000 USD at the best. This sum is not considered a big one and is was the right decision from the judge to not charge guilty Espinoza for selling such low amount.

    Money laundering is a serious crime.

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    People hiding their money from thieving scumbags called politicians... a serious crime? surely not.

    That's not at all what money laundering is. Money laundering is the obfuscation of the origins or ill-gotten gains. It's not hiding it from politicians, it's lying about where it came from to the IRS, and since money laundering is associated with a lot of violent crime, it is a serious crime.

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    August 08, 2016, 05:38:33 PM
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    Good thing that the guy who was charged of money laundering was ruled as not guilty.  Though it is like an entrapment to me as they are police that pretended to be interested on the bitcoins.  People are not aware of bitcoins.  Some were unaware of what it can do.  The buyer maybe was intrigued by the bitcoin and thought that he was being duped by this guy that there is such a thing and then filed a case.  Hope that maybe one day bitcoin will be famous enough to the entire world and can be considered as a real thing.
    Definitely sounding like entrapment, but I don't know all the details of the story so there are a lot of things that aren't necessarily accurate to assume. If the cops forced him into it then I can see something like that being an issue, but it sounds like he did it on his own accord. Then again I don't know much about entrapment laws so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

    A Florida judge ruling Bitcoin as not being money though, might be a good thing. I'll wait and see what comes of this, but this might make it harder to tax, or difficult to classify.

    It is a fair bit of entrapment because in order to make a charge of money laundering, the agents told him that they intended to use the bitcoin to commit a crime, and then when he sold it to them anyway, they charged that he was money laundering. They essentially entrapped him into a money laundering charge, which would not have arisen but for the intentional entrapment of the agents. Nothing the man was doing would have been money laundering outside of the government's actions, that's why it is entrapment.

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    August 10, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
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    Good thing that the guy who was charged of money laundering was ruled as not guilty.  Though it is like an entrapment to me as they are police that pretended to be interested on the bitcoins.  People are not aware of bitcoins.  Some were unaware of what it can do.  The buyer maybe was intrigued by the bitcoin and thought that he was being duped by this guy that there is such a thing and then filed a case.  Hope that maybe one day bitcoin will be famous enough to the entire world and can be considered as a real thing.

    Because the judge did not think or considered that bitcoin is money.  It is not yet familiar and some people only knows about bitcoins and other cryptocurrency.  On the lighter side of this incident I may say that those who were involved and heard this news would be more aware of what bitcoins are.  Maybe they will be curious and will become interested.
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    August 10, 2016, 09:23:11 AM
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    Good thing that the guy who was charged of money laundering was ruled as not guilty.  Though it is like an entrapment to me as they are police that pretended to be interested on the bitcoins.  People are not aware of bitcoins.  Some were unaware of what it can do.  The buyer maybe was intrigued by the bitcoin and thought that he was being duped by this guy that there is such a thing and then filed a case.  Hope that maybe one day bitcoin will be famous enough to the entire world and can be considered as a real thing.

    Because the judge did not think or considered that bitcoin is money.  It is not yet familiar and some people only knows about bitcoins and other cryptocurrency.  On the lighter side of this incident I may say that those who were involved and heard this news would be more aware of what bitcoins are.  Maybe they will be curious and will become interested.

    Judge dont know the use of it and maybe they dont know either bitcoin since they only knew that physical money is only existence of this world but if they really know the potential of cryptocurrency like bitcoin well they will surely hug the opportunity for this coin, they are just old school to know bitcoin since it is bit new to their knowledge and also on the other hand maybe they just knew bitcoin as fraud money.

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    August 10, 2016, 10:02:55 AM
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    Isn't florida inside USA? and there are many bitcoin exchanger registered and working in usa so definately they should have written bitcoin as currency in their law, quite puzzled why judge thinks bitcoin not a currency. Huh

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    August 18, 2016, 07:27:22 PM
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    Isn't florida inside USA? and there are many bitcoin exchanger registered and working in usa so definately they should have written bitcoin as currency in their law, quite puzzled why judge thinks bitcoin not a currency. Huh

    Being on an exchange doesn't make the thing being traded money. Bitcoin is traded for USD on a crypto exchange, just like stocks are traded for USD on a stock exchange. Just as that doesn't make a stock security money, it doesn't make bitcoin money. Stocks are an asset. Same holds true for bitcoin.

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