[FACTS] Dev's do NOT deserve to be "Paid"

[Spoetnik]

I am tired of these coin floggers making excuses for taking "their cut"
They create a problem so they can offer the solution..
THEN they have the nerve to post the code on GITHUB (the biggest site in Crypto)
Which usually involves other peoples work / code and much of it OPEN SOURCE.

I have put out code as GPL / Creative Commons etc and i would be insulted if people were charging money for it.
And that is essentially what many of you so called "dev's" do !

And get this.. many coders work for free.. such as SPEK or ICAROS or EMULE or ...
Need 193848278572856826586 more examples LARGE and small ?

Knowing "Butters" dumped a Million plus worth of ICO scam coins on the scene and has many more makes me sick !
And the same for the rest of you crap-coin floggers too.. you are sleazy scum.

So..
Argue if you dare..
But be warned i heard it all before.

"Altcoins"  

PS:
If you can't "afford" to launch a NEW world wide internet currency for planet earth's user base
then leave it to someone else who actually has the means.

[criptix]

You are wrong. There is nothing for free in real life especially in the crypto scene.

They all have their stacks - directly or indirectly.

[NorrisK]

The biggest issue is that the altcoin scene is so over saturated that if you want to have the good devs on a project, they will have to be compensated somehow.

It may be abused by a lot of subpar devs that try the same trick and get a lot of premined coins, but if they don't make it valuable, it won't be worth anything anyway.

[spartak_t]

@Spoetnik

Can you please enlighten us about at least few positive things you've done so far? I dare to argue, BUT you have no clue on what you are talking about. Try to create something with or without money (oh, boy, would give my right arm to see how this will develop), then you can come here and prove us what kind of a expert you are.

[jacaf01]

I have been saying this for some time, the developers are eating their cake and are keeping it, they will go to the market raise millions of dollars and will still keep 10 - 20 % of the tokens, my argument is if they want to keep part of the token then all ICO must have a cap once the cap has been reach the ICO must be closed, the idea of raising as much money as possible from gullible investors who are willing to shed out their Bitcoin and still keep  a percentage must stop, since the token percentage was set for development purpose so what are they using the money raised from the ICO for, they just want to make themselves rich without doing anything, a good practice by Ethereum developers which decided to support Ethereum hard fork because they also invested their tokens into Slockit  project "The DAO"

[lordoliver]

Ok, if the dev should not get anything, who should get all? The investor? Or the miner (which is also a hardware investor...)?

[spartak_t]

Ok, if the dev should not get anything, who should get all? The investor? Or the miner (which is also a hardware investor...)?

Spoetnik covers all. At the end he is cheering with this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROto6EPV_14

Just replace the title with "I once told you" (no matter if its happening in 10 out of a million cases).

[Minecache]

I am tired of these coin floggers making excuses for taking "their cut"
They create a problem so they can offer the solution..
THEN they have the nerve to post the code on GITHUB (the biggest site in Crypto)
Which usually involves other peoples work / code and much of it OPEN SOURCE.

I have put out code as GPL / Creative Commons etc and i would be insulted if people were charging money for it.
And that is essentially what many of you so called "dev's" do !

And get this.. many coders work for free.. such as SPEK or ICAROS or EMULE or ...
Need 193848278572856826586 more examples LARGE and small ?

Knowing "Butters" dumped a Million plus worth of ICO scam coins on the scene and has many more makes me sick !
And the same for the rest of you crap-coin floggers too.. you are sleazy scum.

So..
Argue if you dare..
But be warned i heard it all before.

"Altcoins"  

PS:
If you can't "afford" to launch a NEW world wide internet currency for planet earth's user base
then leave it to someone else who actually has the means.

Well if you've heard it all before why would you create a thread just to hear it all again?! Have you finally gone full Spoetniktard?

[Spoetnik]

You are wrong. There is nothing for free in real life especially in the crypto scene.

They all have their stacks - directly or indirectly.

Wrong i never received a cent or anything in return for my emule mod i coded.
..or 99% of my other coding contributions.

Just because YOU have your hand out doesn't mean i do too.

The biggest issue is that the altcoin scene is so over saturated that if you want to have the good devs on a project, they will have to be compensated somehow.

It may be abused by a lot of subpar devs that try the same trick and get a lot of premined coins, but if they don't make it valuable, it won't be worth anything anyway.

Wrong.. 99% are not "good dev's"

Name 1 feature any altcoin ever made that was an innovation over Bitcoin coded from scratch.

You can't.. there is none.

Besides why would anyone "Want to have good dev on a project" ?
Care to elaborate on what that means exactly ? LOL

PS:
Minecache you are a fraud.

[criptix]

Are we talking about hundreds plus hours of working or several hours (hobby)?
If it is the latter then it is something else. But you rarely see a professional coder working for free especially not hundreds of hours.
You just dont live from love and cheering alone - it just doesnt work.

[Spoetnik]

Are we talking about hundreds plus hours of working or several hours (hobby)?
If it is the latter then it is something else. But you rarely see a professional coder working for free especially not hundreds of hours.
You just dont live from love and cheering alone - it just doesnt work.

Ever heard of Linux ?

[dadon]

Developers don't deserve to be paid they should be motivated by the potential to further the movement, Not to make a quick $$.
But If those developers deliver a worthy product that makes the speculators betting on it wealthy i think they deserve at least recognition for that in the form of donations.
I do not believe in premises, instamines, ICOs, IPOs If developers want to hold their own coin they should buy them with their own money and they should work for free and only receive donations as a form of payments because it was their choice to start the project.
if this was a rule there would be so many less useless projects around.

[BitFinnese]

I have been saying this for some time, the developers are eating their cake and are keeping it, they will go to the market raise millions of dollars and will still keep 10 - 20 % of the tokens, my argument is if they want to keep part of the token then all ICO must have a cap once the cap has been reach the ICO must be closed, the idea of raising as much money as possible from gullible investors who are willing to shed out their Bitcoin and still keep  a percentage must stop, since the token percentage was set for development purpose so what are they using the money raised from the ICO for, they just want to make themselves rich without doing anything, a good practice by Ethereum developers which decided to support Ethereum hard fork because they also invested their tokens into Slockit  project "The DAO"

I agree in this.  This is what i observed too, why have a percentage on the coin when they have all the BTC collected?  For development ? WTH, they have the money!  Why not  give all the coins to the investors.  And let the investors play in the market.  Developer  must  develop projects and not manipulate market with their so called cut of the coin and the ICO funds.

[rigel]

Are we talking about hundreds plus hours of working or several hours (hobby)?
If it is the latter then it is something else. But you rarely see a professional coder working for free especially not hundreds of hours.
You just dont live from love and cheering alone - it just doesnt work.

Ever heard of Linux ?

Most Linux developers are actually paid to develop Linux.
They work for IBM, Red Hat or some other company that pays them just to do that.

Every full time developer is paid for his job.

[mining1]

I cannot believe i am the only user in this forum that never reads spotnik's posts. I always skip them, useless jibberish. So i've just read the title, wow. How about bitcoin, this idiot believes it's creator doesn't have millions of coin simply because he's unknown ?

[Minecache]

I cannot believe i am the only user in this forum that never reads spotnik's posts. I always skip them, useless jibberish. So i've just read the title, wow. How about bitcoin, this idiot believes it's creator doesn't have millions of coin simply because he's unknown ?

Nope you're most certainly not the only one. I heard his posts are all cut and paste anyway. Best ignored.

[kelsey]

yes lets create an alternative to the greedy bankers who always take their cut, oh btw we want our cut 

[Spoetnik]

Developers don't deserve to be paid they should be motivated by the potential to further the movement, Not to make a quick $$.
But If those developers deliver a worthy product that makes the speculators betting on it wealthy i think they deserve at least recognition for that in the form of donations.
I do not believe in premises, instamines, ICOs, IPOs If developers want to hold their own coin they should buy them with their own money and they should work for free and only receive donations as a form of payments because it was their choice to start the project.
if this was a rule there would be so many less useless projects around.

Do you realize that you just explained how a pyramid scheme works ?

You all launch them and then participate in them and don't even realize it.

And most Linux dev's are paid ?
Uhhhmm no i call bullshit.

Further more how much of the Linux code is open source ?
You deserve to be paid for that ? After you "borrow" it for your pyramid scheme crypto coin ?

@mining1
Cite some references to your claims about me.
It would behoove you to check your facts first son
Further more don't insult me because i have criticized Ethereum here.
Your personal attack is uncalled for.. again (he has a chronic habit of posting that same comment lots)
No on cares what comments you do or do not read.

And cut & paste ?
I wish.. typing is labor intensive for me so i'd love to but i don't.
What Minecache (Fraudcache) you think i have a FUD button on my keyboard ?
Actually ..you caught me !
I have a quick-knife script i made and a quick-AWP button to go with my quick-FUD binding.
And by the way you are one to talk "Mr Criminal coin" who creates tons of topic with 1 sentence and a link.
Mr I don't support ETC but i get them and sell them on Poloniex for profit guy LOL

@kelsey
Thanks for commenting.
I think you get what i am driving at.
A perverse sense of entitlement in a scene that has gotten carried away with rigging coins to pay them large amounts.
For example..
No one complained when "Butters" dumped a massive fortune in ETH coins on the public.
He *NEEDED* a MILLION dollars to further development i suppose huh ?
Well.. what is it he coded in between his dumping and now ?
Vs. what percentage of the coin was already coded BEFORE his cash grab.
And he has more to dump last i heard too !
How did he get them ?
Did anyone ask him ?
OF COURSE NOT.

It's gotten so bad these days across the web i made a topic and posted a screen cap of some douche's random web site..
He coded in a pop up berating the user for having an adblocker.



You kids don't realize that the internet was never like that before.
You self entitled millennial brats popped up with your hands out.
Self entitled little pukes that piggy back off others work then demand cash.
Whether it's a coin or a web site or an Android APP (see Texta on TorrentFreak)

https://torrentfreak.com/free-textra-sms-app-threatens-to-report-android-pirates-160423/

With Textra the dev coded in a warning pop up saying any user caught using a patched version of his messaging program on Android was a criminal pirate stealing.. why ?
Because his FREE app on the play store had ad's..
So if you are caught and flagged removing them the dev claims illegal criminal copyright infringement.
..because you removed the ad's on his FREE app.

You new kids don't know that what you are demanding is unacceptable.
You don't know because you have not been on the internet very long.
So you don't know any better and see other brats with their hands out then think this is normal.
It's not.

If you don't have the means then don't do it.. simple.
Leave it to someone who does have the ability.

Get this kids..
When i started Crypto people would launch a coin..
then it would be fair game to mine it etc.
Occasionally coins were taxed by dev's for a premine percentage.
This often was considered scammy.
Which i kind of agree with but kept lecturing people .. hold the dev's feet to the fire.
You all never did.
At best you would shortly after launch but 1 year later no one cared.
Some coins had a list of where the money went.. posted publicly.
Accountability !

You know it's funny how you all chant SCAM with a coin that has a 2% premine etc
Then you actually DEFEND an ICO coin that is basically a 100% premined coin.
Where the dev etc is doing god knows what with it.
All run by a centralized authority who pulls the strings as needed.
Like ETH
You all had no complaints at all when Butters had his ICO then raped it on launch day buying it up..
Then later tacked on POS mining  HAHHAHAHHAHAHAH

So tell me why did he not just add it in the beginning when it was launched ?
I have asked before and never seen one attempt at an answer.
You will cower and hide when the tough questions get posted.

The shit you all defend here via the majority is sickening and appalling.
Rooted in your perverse and vulgar childish greedy self entitlement.
Look at the pictures of all the ETH guys.. all millennial brats.

It is fine to want to profit but it SHOULD be done on a FAIR system.

Besides what is it exactly all these "dev's" deserve to be paid for ?
6,000+ ANN topics and how much REAL innovation ?
What code is deserving of money ?
So far i seen next to nothing !