rafsoaken auction thread

[squall1066]

the thread in question is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1711644.0

in where a bidding war is commencing, one user wins, but another account posts how happy they are at winning the coin.

the two users are

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29545               rafsoaken
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=929444             durchbruchander

now they both say there nothing to do with Blatar and have spoken to him to prove it.

there are a few not so convinced and would ask that a nutural person have a look and ask the right questions to prove its not them.

*I WILL REMOVE NEG AGAINST Blaatar IF PROVEN I AM WRONG*

if you have any auctions with him, please be careful who your bidding against.

-EDIT I have removed Blaater from accusation as there is no proof, so I have removed neg rep as agreed, the two other users are alts by admition publicly, and as the forum rules are ok with alts and no "scam" was being made, I have to drop suspicions.

[Blaater]

Easy for me.

My PM's.

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
Hi Blaater,

Sorry for bidding as a new account, I did not want your auction to suffer.

If you could extend the auction deadlines by 15 more minutes I can prove via PM to the best bidders besides me in PM that i am an alt account of some established account, so that they can bid again with confidence.
I would also provide you with the same prove that I provide to them.
If you want you can make an announcement about that on the auction thread, but I rather not have my main account published for bidding on these coins for privacy concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

My outgoing PM

Hi TwinWinNerD,

I've just received a PM from the new user and I'll let it up to you to decide if you want this coin or not. The message I received was:

Hi Blaater,

Sorry for bidding as a new account, I did not want your auction to suffer.

If you could extend the auction deadlines by 15 more minutes I can prove via PM to the best bidders besides me in PM that i am an alt account of some established account, so that they can bid again with confidence.
I would also provide you with the same prove that I provide to them.
If you want you can make an announcement about that on the auction thread, but I rather not have my main account published for bidding on these coins for privacy concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

As you are I think the only serious contender I am going to give you the shot if this auction is going to be extended another 15 minutes just for the two of you, no other users can bid on this anymore, cause that would be wrong in my opinion.

Cheers

Next outgoing PM:

Hi durch,

I've pm'ed twin the following:

Hi TwinWinNerD,

I've just received a PM from the new user and I'll let it up to you to decide if you want this coin or not. The message I received was:

Quote
Hi Blaater,

Sorry for bidding as a new account, I did not want your auction to suffer.

If you could extend the auction deadlines by 15 more minutes I can prove via PM to the best bidders besides me in PM that i am an alt account of some established account, so that they can bid again with confidence.
I would also provide you with the same prove that I provide to them.
If you want you can make an announcement about that on the auction thread, but I rather not have my main account published for bidding on these coins for privacy concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

As you are I think the only serious contender I am going to give you the shot if this auction is going to be extended another 15 minutes just for the two of you, no other users can bid on this anymore, cause that would be wrong in my opinion.

Cheers

Lemme know if you can agree on this.
Cheers

Next incoming PM:

Hi TwinWinNerD,

I've just received a PM from the new user and I'll let it up to you to decide if you want this coin or not. The message I received was:

Hi Blaater,

Sorry for bidding as a new account, I did not want your auction to suffer.

If you could extend the auction deadlines by 15 more minutes I can prove via PM to the best bidders besides me in PM that i am an alt account of some established account, so that they can bid again with confidence.
I would also provide you with the same prove that I provide to them.
If you want you can make an announcement about that on the auction thread, but I rather not have my main account published for bidding on these coins for privacy concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

As you are I think the only serious contender I am going to give you the shot if this auction is going to be extended another 15 minutes just for the two of you, no other users can bid on this anymore, cause that would be wrong in my opinion.

Cheers

Hello,

Thanks for the offer. All is good.

I won the other auction so that is good.

Regards

Next outgoing PM:

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
Hi Blaater,

Sorry for bidding as a new account, I did not want your auction to suffer.

If you could extend the auction deadlines by 15 more minutes I can prove via PM to the best bidders besides me in PM that i am an alt account of some established account, so that they can bid again with confidence.
I would also provide you with the same prove that I provide to them.
If you want you can make an announcement about that on the auction thread, but I rather not have my main account published for bidding on these coins for privacy concerns.

Thanks for your consideration.

Hello,

Thanks for the offer. All is good.

I won the other auction so that is good.

Regards

I guess this settles it, you won it (guessing the 15 minutes is already over now).

I'm fast, but I cannot switch between 3 accounts at the same time, while still bidding, reacting and all that.
Plus, raf's account is posting a lot in german, I'm dutch and posted a lot in the dutch board.

Squall, I like you normally, but in this case you are overreacting and involving too many people.

@TwinWinNerD; sorry for dragging you into this half-half.

[squall1066]

Squall, I like you normally, but in this case you are overreacting and involving too many people.

@TwinWinNerD; sorry for dragging you into this half-half.

PM's between accounts dont mean anything, but you are right about the language, I will check that out.

so you only like people who are not pointing a finger lol, do you have any conception what I have had to go through on this forum? do you know anything about me?

I have been scammed 100's if not 1000's of bitcoins over the years (admittedly most was when btc was pence) and I hate all kinds of trickery, so dont come it with all this "oh I did like you" rubbish with me, if its all cosha I will say sorry and move on, If your being rude, it only shows guilt to me.

[squall1066]

Hi again,

I want to make my view on the negative trust feedback clear: I'm ok with negative trust as long as this is not sorted out,
but keep to the facts. Otherwise you are presenting your suspicions as if they were fact, but without any proof (which btw is impossible to have).

Instead of:

rafsoaken:
Alt of Blaater posted in error and caught out.

Blaater:
messed up with 2 alts to boost own auctions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=929444
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29545

You should write:
rafsoaken:
risked amount: 0.00000
Maybe/Probably(or something like that) alt of Blaater posted in error and caught out.

Blaater:
risked amount: 0.00000
May/Seemingly have messed up with 2 alts to boost own auctions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=929444
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29545

Thanks for the corrections
raf

you getting personal with me? calling me a pretender?

Sure it's personal. You left that neg rating which is presented as fact while there is only suspicion.

so there was no linking other than the alt you all ready disclosed, all that was needed was some time to see what was going on, I have been advised that alt accounts are ok on this forum, and as no "scam" was called for or claimed, there can be nothing done.

I have removed claims of linking with Blaatar (I cannot remove accusation as I cannot remove my own topic) but as you were personal with me I have seen fit to leave you my own personal neg rep.

regards.

SO - mod could you please remove or change title as I am not calling out Blaatar.

I'm not 100% convinced but there you go, I seen a post hiccup and all looked sus to me.

Its also amazing how many people told me to do it and run when it gets hot lol, your cards are marked.