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August 13, 2013, 02:49:41 AM
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Virtex is being manipulated by one of three entities: Virtex itself, a group of predatory traders or both!

For the past two weeks, the exchange rate (in Canadian dollars) has been $7-$8 USD below bitstamp, and $13-$15 USD below mtgox.

Aggravating this further is the fact that there is 4%-5% difference between the Canadian dollar and the USD.

So when Virtex is trading btc at $88 Canadian dollars, and bitstamp is trading at $95 USD, the difference, including the dollar to dollar exchange rate, is nearly $12 USD!

This makes Virtex the place to buy btc cheap and then sell them at bitstamp, mtgox or any other exchange for a quick flip profit.

An organized group is behind this scam, and it makes sense that Virtex itself, or a proxy of theirs, is the culprit.

Another scam that is 100% all Virtex is the fact that you cannot empty your wallet or your cash account to $0.00.

You must always leave behind some amount of btc, and some amount of $. This play is familiar to those who have been in the online gambling world. Usually something like 4 or 5 cents had to remain in your account at all times. It doesn't seem like much (and the way they explained it, it had to be that way or else the account will shut itself down) but when you add it up across thousands of customers, it becomes considerable.

I have asked Virtex about this point blank (3 weeks ago) and was promised an investigation but so far, nary an update has been provided.

Bitstamp has better fees and allows withdrawals to Canadian banks for a fee that, rolled in with everything else, still leads to a much better return than using Virtex.
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August 13, 2013, 03:43:23 AM
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LOL

The Canadian market is simply different from other markets. That is why you can see different prices between them. Sometime it is Virtex rates that are higher. A LOT of thing can influence that. (i.e. big influx of bitcoin to canadian merchants coming from foreign customers)

And the elaborate "Scam" that you are describing is called "arbitrage" which is a good thing because it equilibrate the markets.
BTW no one is stopping you to do that too if you can (buy low in a market and sell high in another one).

No scam here, just free market

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August 13, 2013, 05:04:55 AM
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LOL

The Canadian market is simply different from other markets. That is why you can see different prices between them. Sometime it is Virtex rates that are higher. A LOT of thing can influence that. (i.e. big influx of bitcoin to canadian merchants coming from foreign customers)

And the elaborate "Scam" that you are describing is called "arbitrage" which is a good thing because it equilibrate the markets.
BTW no one is stopping you to do that too if you can (buy low in a market and sell high in another one).

No scam here, just free market

This!

I wouldn't consider it to be a scam. Everything in business is about making profit, and bitcoin is no exception. I think we need to be a little bit more knowledgeable about the certain situation before yelling Scam.
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August 13, 2013, 06:54:35 AM
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Actually you are both wrong. Yes the buying low and selling higher is standard arbitrage, but the manipulation that is occurring there is just that - manipulation! And as is the case in securities and currency trading, the kind of manipulation that is occurring at Virtex, would be illegal if bitcoins were traded on regulated exchanges.
What we are seeing here is the wild west aspect of an unregulated system like bitcoins. Things like this can happen and there is no overseeing authority to stop it. It isn't a free market, it is a manipulated one.
A network of people - say 15 - all work together to drive the price down so they can engage in an arbitrage scheme. Guy 1 puts .4 btc up for sale at a lower-than-the current-price rate - guy 2 buys it at that lower rate. Now that lower rate is the "default" rate for the whole exchange. Guy 3 and guy 4 do the same thing 10 minutes later - especially if the rate popped back up again by a trade that occurred outside their network.
This is textbook rate manipulation and is screwing over everyone else on that exchange. Right now, Virtex's rate is under $88 Canadian (equivalent to about $85 USD) but over at Bitstamp, their rate is over $95 USD. That's a 13% difference that makes no sense. The Canadian rate should be HIGHER than the USD rate because the USD is more valuable than the Canadian.
And saying the Canadian market is "different" than other markets is saying nothing at all. That kind of estimation of the situation was definitely not informed by an education in either securities, currency or financial systems.
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August 13, 2013, 08:08:48 AM
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I never traded at virtex, Crypsty has everything I need.
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February 16, 2014, 02:13:42 AM
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My account get blocked for whatever reason i don't know.
They have all kinds of excuses, their layers really want show their exist and throw trouble to users.
I really want have another choice.
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February 16, 2014, 07:49:55 AM
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so if you are living in Canada and want to convert btc to cash, where else can you go besides Virtex? I want to know.
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February 16, 2014, 07:58:00 AM
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May be you guys can use LBC . localbitcoin
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February 16, 2014, 08:04:30 AM
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Virtex? It sounds vaguely familiar but it's probably precisely because nobody has really heard of them that you've run into these problems.
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February 16, 2014, 10:10:47 AM
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Scam, scam everywhere!
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February 16, 2014, 05:05:04 PM
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May be you guys can use LBC . localbitcoin

+1 to localbitcoins.
You can probably find traders near you easily Cheesy
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