Mining on satellite or 4g LTE internet?

[CoinHoarder]

I'm looking at a warehouse to expand my mining operation. I found one really cheap, but it's kind of on the outside of town so there's no cable/dsl internet.

Has anyone mined on satellite internet or 4g LTE before???

I've always used cable internet, so I have no clue.

Also, it seems most satellite/4g lte internet providers have caps of monthly data usage... like 10Gb/mo, 15Gb/mo, 20Gb/mo

Would these data plans support a large farm of ASICs or GPUs if all I used them to do was hash, no downloading or web surfing??

[CoinHoarder]

Likely speeds:

4g LTE speeds: downloads of up to 5–12 Mbps and uploads of up to 2–5 Mbps

Satellite speeds: downloads of up to 10 Mbps and uploads of up to 3 Mbps

Research around the forums (note: some of this information is outdated... stratum will use less bandwidth):

With stratum and 10ghash I would probably be right below 5gb after 24/7 mining for a month. Stratum seems to drop bandwith usage about 60%

 Ok after checking one of my miners after 24 hours on wireless, it's showing a change of 31M bytes sent and 53M bytes received.  This would add up to ~84MB of data use a day (and is a little shy of the post before but the math is somewhat close).  Again this is just connecting to a pool and mining, not using the machine for anything else.

  Just thought I'd share in case if anyone else ever wondered.

The bandwidth use is next to nothing. If you 20 computers use more than 250MB per day in total, I'd be surprised.

According to netlimiter monitor, mining (using gui-miner on deepbit) did 280MB (185 down, 95 up) of transfer over the month of may.

comparatively, the bitcoin client has taken up 1572MB (1180 up, 392 down) of transfer over the same period.

Just took a gander at one of my routers that is connected to 8GH/s
2492 TxB/s, uptime 2 days 5 hours

~6 B/s per GH I guess

edited for retardation, I need to double check my work after work. It's probably still wrong  

I just monitored a little bit with wireshark, it's about 1kB per request to the server.
So if you mine at 4GH/s you have about 1kB to get work and 1kB to report work each second.
If you mine at really lower speeds you probably get a little more data per hashing power because you don't try the whole block.
At 800 MH/s it is about 5 seconds per block so it probably won't matter, but my videocard is as slow as 60 MH/s and would take a little over a minute to complete a block and thus would generate a lot of stales.

Conclusion, at 800 MH/s I estimate it at 2 kB / 5 seconds, 86400 seconds a day, 17280 times 2 kB, 33.75 MB/day.

IF latecy is the issue (i use ozco.in) then what are we talking?

My first hop pings are like 100-150ms most of the day (3G wireless internet in remote australia)

kind regards

More latency => more stales. But that order of magnitude should still be fine.
On a regular pool, 200ms of total roundtrip to the pool cause 0.03% stales on average.

[jml]

I'm looking at a warehouse to expand my mining operation. I found one really cheap, but it's kind of on the outside of town so there's no cable/dsl internet.

Has anyone mined on satellite internet or 4g LTE before???

I've always used cable internet, so I have no clue.

Also, it seems most satellite/4g lte internet providers have caps of monthly data usage... like 10Gb/mo, 15Gb/mo, 20Gb/mo

Would these data plans support a large farm of ASICs or GPUs if all I used them to do was hash, no downloading or web surfing??

You should be looking at latency since this determines if your miner's work is rejected or accepted. Personally, I have my miner connected via ethernet for very low latency times even though I could use WiFi. The problem with WiFi is that if you live in an urbanised area and you have interference from other users, this can affect radio signals to a point of failure; i.e. very high latency or the packet doesn't get to its destination at all.
With any GSM service provider, it would suffer at a greater degree of latency for various reasons that either include atmospheric weather or other layers (or as we call it, middleware) that involve the telecommunication network:

+Interference with building structure, large metal girders or thick walls will disrupt signals.
+Current network load on chosen operator.
+Billing platform - yes even this does cause a delay in your packets. Once it is in the network, you have no control over the packets.
+Weather - Humidity, rain, snow affect signals
+Temperature - can adversely affect transceiver bandwidth, not latency.
+Foliage - Trees and other vegetation does also dampen signal strength, even more when foliage is wet.

With regards to satellite Internet, I have only heard of remote islands using comsat access which is only controlled by the telecoms company. St Helena being a distant British Overseas Territories has no trans-oceanic cables to link up to other Network Service Providers. So they use satellite access instead but at a very high cost and slow speeds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Helena#Telecommunications

[CoinHoarder]

   4G Mobile Hotspot
Bandwidth        20.89 mbps / 5.42 mbps (up/down)
Latency           65 ms
Packet Loss      0%
Jitter                10 ms

^ may be outdated... from 2011

[pheaonix]

i would be more concerned with security than internet ;P i wouldn't feel safe with 10k+ in equipment sitting out in a warehouse far away from home

[CoinHoarder]

i would be more concerned with security than internet ;P i wouldn't feel safe with 10k+ in equipment sitting out in a warehouse far away from home

That's what security systems are for.

It's not really out in the boonies, it's in an industrial area about a 5 minute drive from my home. I'm more worried about the internet.  

JML: thanks for you input

[CoinHoarder]

It turns out the landlord lied when he said I couldn't get cable internet there. I just checked with the local cable provider and I can.

I guess he doesn't like miners... it's a conspiracy.

/thread

[bcpokey]

just in case you run into the same problem again, you can use fairly cheap point to point antennae to share your home internet (even across tens of kilometers).

I would have liked to get warehouse space once upon a time as well, but sadly it is quite a bit more difficult than it should be

[jml]

just in case you run into the same problem again, you can use fairly cheap point to point antennae to share your home internet (even across tens of kilometers).

It would need to be line-of-sight range to get a good signal with a high gain antennae.

[FloridaBear]

One thing to contribute: If you mine for slush's pool, you can select the difficulty you would like. Doubling the difficulty should halve the bandwidth requirement, at the cost of slightly increased variance. Just my two cents (and my first post outside newbie prison  )

[jml]

One thing to contribute: If you mine for slush's pool, you can select the difficulty you would like. Doubling the difficulty should halve the bandwidth requirement, at the cost of slightly increased variance. Just my two cents (and my first post outside newbie prison  )

Or 50BTC

[CoinHoarder]

Thanks for the info guys. I definitely learned a lot more about mining bandwidth requirements, and the differences in between get work and stratum protocols when looking into this.

I found out that I can get DSL internet there though, so this is not even a problem anymore.