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June 14, 2017, 06:50:31 AM
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That's what Heinlein's acronym was! Been a long time since I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress ergo the memory error... (think that is where it came from)

 He used it a few places, but I think Moon was probably the first.


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June 16, 2017, 06:13:11 PM
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and it is silly to assume anything isnt possible... not a good way to think.
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And to assume that someone who has designed/built sealed enclosure multi-kw power electronics systems for decades which utilize either chilled water or mechanical cabinet coolers to move said heat loads elsewhere does not know 'what is possible' and what can actually be done is simply dreamy-eyed ignorance of the laws of nature. Some folks here <raises hand> design high power industrial electronics systems for a living, others work in HVAC systems and some in other specialized fields. Not many perhaps but there *are* technology experts here. Point is some folks here DO know what is possible with today's technologies and what is not-possible even with tech upcoming in the foreseeable future..

Yes it is easier to remove heat from dry air per-cubic foot moved but that is because the moisture itself holds a substantial amount of Latent Heat to begin with. By the same token, cool somewhat humid air is better at cooling things/people because it can absorb more heat with a lower rise in temp vs dry air.

Problem you do not see is that, great: You are using a separate dehumidifier to remove the moisture (and additional heat stored in the moisture). Fine. Thing is - you are using energy to pull out x-amount of moisture per-hour and that takes a fixed amount of energy to condense out. Doing that with a separate dehumidifier ahead of what the main cooling can do is less efficient simply because you are now using another point of mechanical effort instead of the 1 one big one. If properly sized the 1 big A/C unit will remove the humidity AND still provide proper amount of cooling all the while consuming less additional power vs running 2nd motor.

Perhaps you should read up a bit on Thermodynamics along with some textbook on heating/cooling principals 101?

TANSTAAFL

That said, a portable A/C unit like this which draws in outside air for the hot-side and exhausts the heat to the outside using ducts http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/hvac/air-conditioning/commercial-portable-ac/industrial-portable-air-conditioner-2-ton-w-cold-air-nozzles-21-000-btu-230v?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=CJf189LJvdQCFZ23wAodJP4Ldg would certainly work -- at the cost of using more electric but at least you won't be screwing with the building HVAC system.

Yep, no offense but it is silly to assume such and more complex things have and continue to be done everywhere..... It could be something u missed. We are but fallible humans. This thread was just to explore possibilities. U dont have to put so much emotion into it u know -.-

So, while it is in-efficient, I see that it can be done. I probably need a small dehumidifier as my area is too humid anyways. High humidity will cause antminers to rust. The central air-con is not the evaporative type and will not remove humidity or hot air, it just blows cold air out and thats it.

Noted all your comments.

Anyways, noted your comments.

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June 16, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
Last edit: June 16, 2017, 07:12:03 PM by NotFuzzyWarm
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The central air-con is not the evaporative type and will not remove humidity or hot air, it just blows cold air out and thats it.

Noted all your comments.
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And where does the cold air come from? Another dimension? No -- there are always intake vents where warm/hot/humid air is sucked from the rooms/area which leads into the A/C system where it is cooled and dehumidified then blown out again...

Since you refuse to heed what experts who do this for a living and are trying to educate you in the basics have to say, now the Willfully Clueless Dreamer Ignore button is activated.

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June 18, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
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The central air-con is not the evaporative type and will not remove humidity or hot air, it just blows cold air out and thats it.

Noted all your comments.
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Oh Lord...
And where does the cold air come from? Another dimension? No -- there are always intake vents where warm/hot/humid air is sucked from the rooms/area which leads into the A/C system where it is cooled and dehumidified then blown out again...

Since you refuse to heed what experts who do this for a living and are trying to educate you in the basics have to say, now the Willfully Clueless Dreamer Ignore button is activated.

Will u relax. I do appreciate your input u know. But your approach to replying on the other hand.....
I already plan to get a window on top of dehumidifier and a fan to blow out the air. The central air con should be weak and gotta arrange it somehow such that the dehumidifier is effective despite the air going out.
I suppose u hold a technical job and have never worked as a customer service role before lol

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June 19, 2017, 12:35:44 AM
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Ventilation is the least expensive and most energy-efficient way to cool buildings. Ventilation works best when combined with methods to avoid heat buildup in your home. In some cases, natural ventilation will suffice for cooling, although it usually needs to be supplemented with spot ventilation,
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