user realproject scammer? need Community advice please

[jenia1]

Looking for the communitiy's suggestion here.

So i purchased an item from user realproject https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=259142  
this user have insisted that i pay using  Skrill or Neteller. i wanted escrow of course. then we settled for paypal. since i have no idea what Skrill or Neteller are.

ever using maidak and escrow.ms then end not good. since then, I use a skill or neteller, even if they are at risk for reversal, chargeback and account freezing.
Skrill or neteller can using visa/mastercard/jcb card too.
do you have what'sapp number?? let's me help step by step. you will happy if ever using skrill or neteller method.

we also chatted regularly on whatsapp prior to the payment(still have the conversation) once i paid he went radio silent on WhatsApp. claiming he lost his phone.
we then talked some more on the forum where i was asking him to ship what i paid for and he began providing PayPal screenshots from his account that the money is being held... long story short  if you can read our correspondence and enlighten me.
P.S.
i added him on skype. he asked who it is. i answered that im still waiting for the item. and he ignored me again.

so what do you guys think? is this guy for real? why won't he just shipped like agreed  if he is legit?

still waiting for shipping update/ tracking number on whatsapp
thanks.

Sorry my phone loss.

Sir, after check got like this,
first your money held by paypal : https://prnt.sc/ggvvos

hold until september 24, : https://prnt.sc/ggvtpp

after hold my account "LIMITED" ooh my god : https://prnt.sc/ggvusy

i do not like this. you have 2 options.

1. refund me
2. send me a tracking number tomorrow of the shipped item

if i do not receieve a shipping label i will open a dispute

I already making refund you,,, but you look this : https://prnt.sc/ggvusy

Account LIMITED CAN'T making refund. please call paypal about this case.

No.
then ship the item as you promised. you will get the money anyway, just abit later. i am not calling paypal. this is your mess not mine

Sir, from yesterday I also want making REFUND because this : https://prnt.sc/ggvvos

but I can't making refund because my account LIMITED after received your fund. it's mean your fund suspected to be unsafe.

hey.
i do not want to cancel the deal but i did all you asked. i wanted to pay with escrow i just remind you. YOU wanted paypal i payed with paypal. your account is is limited not mine. this is a problem with you not me.

anyways. i wish to proceed with the deal. so Please Provide a tracking number TODAY. the money from paypal will be unlocked for you anyways it will just take some more time. but ou will still get it.

If you fail to do that. i will  provide you a negative feedback on bitcointalk that you are a scammer. because honestly all the stories you feed me sounds redicoulous. and i start to think that you were trying to scam.
so think and act today. if there is no tracking number, you get a negative feedback for trying to scam me.
good day.

I WILL MAKING REFUND FOR YOU (I ALREADY CONTACT PAYPAL TO REQUEST REFUND, DON'T WORRY YOU WILL GET YOUR FUND SOON). YOU USING PAYPAL, NEVER CAN SCAMMED BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKING CHARGEBACK. IF MY ACCOUNT NOT "LIMITED" AND CAN MAKING REFUND, I'LL MAKING REFUND FROM FIRST ACCEPT YOUR PAYPAL TRANSFER.
THIS IS PROOF THAT, I NEVER THINK TO SCAMMED YOUR RISK FUND.

BUT THIS IS PROOF THAT, YOU FORCE ME TO SHIPMENT UNIT, BUT YOUR FUND HAVE PROBLEM.

I HAVE PROOF EMAIL FROM PAYPAL HERE :  https://prnt.sc/ggvvos
(PAYMENT FROM YOU REVIEWED)

[realproject]

DON'T WORRY MAN, I ALREADY CONTACT PAYPAL TO REFUND YOUR RISK MONEY.

because I received a paypal fund from "jenia1" a.k.a Pekka Paakkanen, my paypal account closed by paypal.
Check here shipping different : https://prnt.sc/ghrnpz

He did not want to cancel his purchase with me. because he uses paypal hacked. check here : https://prnt.sc/ghro23

[jenia1]

DON'T WORRY MAN, I ALREADY CONTACT PAYPAL TO REFUND YOUR RISK MONEY.

because I received a paypal fund from "jenia1" a.k.a Pekka Paakkanen, my paypal account closed by paypal.
Check here shipping different : https://prnt.sc/ghrnpz

He did not want to cancel his purchase with me. because he uses paypal hacked. check here : https://prnt.sc/ghro23

JESUS LORD CHRIST SAVE ME FROM THESE KIND OF PEOPLE.


you clearly have 0 knowledge about how paypal works. you cannot be recieving large sums of money for a new account like you have without them asking questions and asking some proof! my money is NOT rist like you say. its your goddamn account that IS !

i dont know if you are really that dumb or just pretending to be? yes. the shipping address is different because i bought it for my farm in Finland. enough users here know that i do have a facility in Finland. this is why i have some D3 orders coming there and shipping leaves from there.
and what the fuck is this paypal hacked thing?? how can someone use a hacked paypal?? the screenshot shows they banned YOU! not me. why would they ban you if my account is hacked?? seriously you are braindead my friend.


let me suggest the following. have an office in Shenzen. i give you the address in private message. you bring the item yourself and you will get CASH ON HAND!!! since you are clearly incapable to do anything else as i can see.

[Philopolymath]

Hey Jenia
Frankly, I'm very surprised you even dealt with this schmuck in the first place.
You are usually rather savvy at sniffing out scammers..

Sad to see....Sorry but I think you are getting fornicated...

[jenia1]

Hey Jenia
Frankly, I'm very surprised you even dealt with this schmuck in the first place.
You are usually rather savvy at sniffing out scammers..

Sad to see....Sorry but I think you are getting fornicated...

Hey Philopolymath,
it was paypal so i thought what the hell.... paypal got me covered. and frankly, it does i believe. maybe they closed his account because he tried to withdraw the funds. idk.
i still dont get though if he is really a scammer or just playing it dumb ? both are equally possible imo... and sadly didn't fornicate for a while
what makes you say he's a schmuck though? any experience with him?

[jonsi]

somebody willing to throw his 2 cents about what is going on here? 

This is 99.999% a scam atempt. It includes all the red flags:
1. Not willing to use escrow (This is a big NO when purchasing items from this forum).
2. Insisting at first to use non reversible payments methods (Skrill or Neteller).


I but my 2 cents on not receiving anything from this user.

[Philopolymath]

Agree 100%scam...

Any serious INEXPERIENCED newbie would be EAGER to admit it and ask for guidance and be CAUTIOUS..
Hence they would be EAGER to offer their identity location concerns conditions..And WANT escrow or some reason to trust and have confidence.
MOST of all... GENUINE SELLERS are/would be EAGER & patient to cooperate and communicate openly honestly and make the buyer feel safe..

Scammers/Schmucks liars thieves are most often overconfident and evasive and oversensitive to scrutiny.
They will be desperate to HIDE the scam and try to distract and offer lame bullshit excuses. And counter attack the character of any accuser.
They will be unsophisticated and clumsy and generally unskilled and UNknowledgeable inexperienced about the process because they are just in it for fast money..
They have ZERO interest in establishing trust or reputation for potential future sales..

Most of these schmucks are so immature and stupid they can't even understand why they are so easily exposed as such.

[VonB]

I'm new to this forum, and I'm sad to say, that I fell for this guy's scam  .

At first he seemed very legit. He answered prompt, and gave me good faith in, that he wasn't a scammer.

After I transferred him the amount, he went quiet. I haven't heard a single peep from him since.

I really hope that no one else got scammed by this user, but his setup was so professional, that I'm quite sure I ain't the only one.

I did my research before I transferred the money too him. I checked his account (he has been an active user since 2014), it even looks like he bought mining gear from other forum members.

It's been 4 days now, and I still hope that he will get back to me, though I'm loosing hope.

[mandertherick]

Report the case to PayPal, I was checking the user's background and I saw that he photoshops images that are not clearly from him/her, in fact the images looks clearly fake, even if he/she stole you 1 USD or 1K USD you have to give him/her a lesson, if you need help just ask some users from the forum and myself to help you out in that.

[gecox22]

I have dealt with a lot of scammers on here and thankfully never been duped by one. I also haven't ever used escrow before ether. But most of my purchases are small time compared to most on here.  But I always always look at post history, account history, and where the are posting and then try to always buy from trusted users. In the same I take my trust rating very serious. Even though I am still probably considered newbie around these forums. Anytime I have a question of faith towards another user I always ask a trusted user for advice. Most trusted users are always willing to help out any way the can. I have learn so much from bitcointalk and am still learning today. It does seem like he is trying to scam you. Thankfully paypal has your back and it wasn't btc or the other money exchanges you mentioned above. Both of those services are known for bad deals or deals gone wrong. Just keep with what you know and what your gut tells you. Sad you had to go through it with him though. hopefully it get resolved quickly.

[jenia1]

i think it is then safe to give him a bad trust and including this thread as a reference.
thanks everybody

[realestone]

i left him a negative trust as well

[VonB]

Unfortunately I used Skrill to transfer the amount to him. This was probably the biggest mistake.

If anyone is interested, I'm could share the entire conversation.

I reported him to Skrill, but I doubt they will do anything.