Hello I was talking about the same in this topic
Ok our big goal its to descentralize absolutely our alternative economic system.
we have bitcoin + opentransactions + bitmessage,
but i think that we need two more pieces to complete this alternative system, because the global power system its attacking
the form that we change dolars/euro/... to bitcoins; and the fiat as a virtual currency are always connected to a nominal bank account controlled by the central banks.
1. A home version of bitcoin ATM.
Yes, perhaps sounds crazy,, but if we want to change the world, we need to think also about this crazy possibilities. A system by the way people could diposit fiat currencies to exchange for bitcoins from their home. So, a really p2p alternative to the banking system.
I imagine a little atm machine connect with your cumputer where you put your bills, in order to be changed in the p2p exchange. When fiat is exchanged for bitcoins,
the atm system, blocks your possibilities to get the bills.
2. A p2p courier system to do anonymous bills exchange
To complete the bitcoin ATM home version, we need a p2p courier, that move the bills between diferents homes to adapt the exchanges between their p2p fiat accounts...Perhaps a cryptografic system could link the courier with the home ATM in order to do segure transactions...
So, i mean... we need to pierce the anonymity and decentralization to the physical world!
And reading your links to early posts, seems that are already some thinking useful to be continue:
Personally, I love the idea of flying, autonomous delivery services as much as the next guy, but I think this conversation needs some re-alignment. The issue more presently at hand is that of a lack of decentralized distribution services. I had an idea for such a system.
BitDrop.
Bitdrop would be a system for human "runners" to pass goods from person to person in the most cryptographically secure way possible.
Person A negotiates a sale of an item to person B online.
Upon deciding on BitDrop as means of distribution, distance would be calculated and current gas prices would be tabulated. This is the base shipping cost.
Person A types in their "willing to travel" radius, and, the machine would chew on the data and randomly/securely spit back out an exact lat-lon point within that radius.
A nearby runner gets notified that a package is ready for distribution. He's signed up with his own "willing to travel" radius as well. Ideally, if there are enough warm bodies in the chain, the venn diagrams all start overlapping, and form a human supply chain.
Upon the completed transaction, all runners in the chain would receive good feedback (ideas for delivery confirmation? sms? scanned qr codes?), and get higher GPG rankings, which would enable them to deliver goods that had been marked with higher trust requirements...and likewise, the more you're trusted in in the chain, the more the runners can charge. Seller wants to sell something of importance/high value? they can raise the trust threshold (and subsequently, the shipping rate)
As far as black market goods go, I've thought of this scenario. The TOS for bitdrop would state specifically that transfer of illegal goods is strictly prohibited; however, you may anonymously mark your package "shaded" if you feel the contents pose risk for any member of the chain, including senders, receivers and most importantly, runners. Shaded goods may be distributed exclusively via dead drops, and runners can opt into notifications of shaded packages, but only after a GPG trust threshold is passed, so a significant time expenditure is required before you go "googling for drugs". You basically knowingly waive your rights when you deal with shaded transacations. That being said, I'm sure it would turn into a profitable venture for risk-takers, while keeping clean runners away from things that could land them in jail for trafficking.
There are other details I've thought of, including the distinction between dead drops and trusted drops. Dead drops would be entry-points into the runner market. Let's say I want to make some extra money, and I want to sign up as a runner. I go to the bitdrop site and sign up for an entry-level position. This requires that I pledge a deposit for the first item I'll deliver. This means that new runners will mainly focus on delivering items of little value. It's a Low-risk, low-return scenario for everybody involved with the transaction. Once I, the runner, complete my transaction, the deposit is returned to my account, as well as the base shipping cost + small delivery fee. Part of becoming a runner is setting up GPG-Authentication. The buyer and seller then add ratings to my transaction, and after a threshold is reached, I'm allowed to forego placing a deposit on items of certain values or lower. Eventually, dead drops would give way of chains with "trusted drops", where people who've established their trust arrange meetups based on encrypted lat-lon values and anonymous instructions. The specifics should be debated about at length to promote the safety and longevity of the chain Smiley
I don't expect my first ramblings to be the end-all-be-all of this system, but unless I'm way off base, I think the concept has potential. I actually wrote up an extensive post detailing this idea yesterday, and stupidly hit f5 before I sent it, erasing my whole post instantly... I'd love to hear feedback and concerns.
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I like the basic idea however I'd reconsider the choice of technology and centralized nature. If you want a robust delivery network that is resilient to attacks it has to be a peer-to-peer system and then C++/Java/Python/.NET and similar non-web technologies are the way to go for nodes.
But I'm thinking that bitcoin merchants don't really want a system that delivers parcels from their building to their customers. What they really want is for products to be delivered to the consumers as cheap and easy as possible. That is why Amazon distribution centers are so popular. So how about a Peer-to-Peer Distribution Network?
Any entrepreneur with storage space can add a distribution center to the distribution network. Nodes then re-calculate optimal distribution of products in response to network events, past product distribution behavior, and prices. Such network events can for instance be addition or removal of storage space at a distribution center, addition or removal of a distribution center, addition of a product, creation of a parcel, delivery of a parcel, and undeliverable parcel. The distribution network can be modeled with a (distributed) graph data structure.
The parcel is created as close as possible to the customer for faster delivery. Products are sourced from the closest possible distribution centers. Distribution centers are replenished according to predicted demand. Customers that live in areas with regular demand will likely experience very fast delivery even if the bitcoin merchant is on another continent. Since demand in an area would be visible, a good infrastructure would likely develop - jobs are created. Distribution centers and couriers are competing which will keep prices low in areas with high demand (eg. cities of a reasonble size).
Investigating an optimal product distribution algorithm would be an interesting computer science problem.
Of course distribution centers and couriers need to have some sort of trust rating. It would be easy to track whom lost a parcel with digital signatures and decrease the rating which would result in the network sending less business their way in the future. In fact a rule could be made that the value of the parcel must be paid to a Bitcoin address (owned by the merchant) before the network again will send new parcels their way. Distribution centers and couriers can choose not to accept parcels with a too high value and insurrance companies would probably be created to cover their loss if there is a need.
The merchant will digitally sign the delivery order and the customer will digitally sign for the reception of the parcel on arrival.
Distribution centers can be small (apartment based) or large (dedicated buildings) and couriers can use bicycles or trucks.
I would definitely support such a project.
Casper
For me its important to focus in the local level that could go at the same time in multiple cities and countries all over the world. An could incorporate a exchange system between cash and bitcoins out of the banks...
more people interested?
