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October 22, 2017, 12:10:46 PM
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Hello guys,

My understanding of crypto-currencies/Bitcoin is, I would say, intermediate. I need people to make me understand why my assumption that Bitcoin WILL disappear in mid-term and be replaced by another cryptocurrency/technology could be wrong.

Why am I making this assumption ?
If I am not mistaking, one of the main principle of the Bitcoin (and most crypto-currencies) is that you can't change how the technology / the blockchain / the crypto currency is made. Meaning that the Bitcoin that went out in 2009 is supposed to always be the same. (unless you make a Fork butt well, it seems like all forks will always be much smaller in Market Value than the original Bitcoin).

If technology stays the same forever, isn't it OBLIGATORY that another technology (and I mean by that, probably another cryptocurrency) will take the place of Bitcoin in the short/middle term ? Not sure if you know it, but if Bitcoin was a country, it would already be 71th in the world in electricity consumption ! Isn't the Bitcoin aim to be the world-decentralized money simply impossible due to the limitations of the technology?
It seems to me quite obvious that another crypto-money WAY less demanding in energy/electricity and also waayyyy faster with calculations should replace the Bitcoin in the future IF the Bitcoin technology isn't evolving.

English is my third language but I hope I am making sense.

Your basic assumption is wrong. Out of Satoshi's code, only ~30% is present in Bitcoin's code today. There have been multiple changes and BIPs (Bitcoin Improvement Proposals) which have been implemented.The only issue is that consensus has to be developed for any change to be implemented.

Very interesting. Didn't know about BIPs. Then I understand the importance of a consensus. And that a non-consensus situation over any BIPs can basically lead to a fork.

BUT. Who are responsible for these consensus ? That's something I also fail to understand.

And, another question though. Am I wrong thinking that the biggest challenge of Bitcoin devs now is to make Bitcoin less energy-consuming ?
Am I wrong thinking that Bitcoin as it is now would be FAR from capable of handling the decentralized exchanges of even ''only'' a single Occidental 20 million people country , if, tomorrow, such a country would decide to uniquely use Bitcoin.
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October 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM
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my understanding is that the technology isn't the same always; there are improvements and updates that can be made without altering the main currency.
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October 22, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
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I think that electricity is not a matter of distress for BTC, because there are new renewable energy techniques that can decrease that problem. Now one think that can mingle with BTC is the advancement of technology, maybe there might be ways of disrupting the Blockchain in the future.
And I guess with the value that it will become stable, it will be a big value that will make you have satoshis divisibles, and with that BTC sustainability is guaranteed!
Now there is no technology that can replace traditional sources of electricity. All cryptocurrencies require a large amount of electricity for operation of equipment. Price in all countries electricity is different. If you need to destroy the cryptocurrency it can be done with the help of energy suppliers. They can make it so that mining is not profitable.
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October 22, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
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Technology isn't the only consideration though. You also have to consider the userbase, the ease of use, and the general acceptance, all of which bitcoin just has a really huge lead on. It might happen down the road, but there are already altcoins better than it and they can't even touch it. This won't happen anytime soon.
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October 23, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
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I think this is where I do miss something here. Isn't the principle of Bitcoin (and most Cryptos) to never change the technology they start with ?
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BTC has very active development from the Core team and a lot of other independent developers, so I don't see what makes a new coin which everyone actually has to actively sell their BTC for so important.
- When you speak about the BTC Active Development team, we are speaking about https://bitcoinfoundation.org right ? Who is behind the Core Team?
The people who are behind the Bitcoin Core team are listed here.  Bitcoin Core is the reference client for BTC and is currently used by about 75% of listening nodes.  Note that listening nodes do not make up 100% of nodes.

Anyone can contribute to Bitcoin Core, but of course the contributions that they accept are typically going to be the ones which align with the main developers' viewpoints, which is why it's important to note that anyone can develop their own client and get people to run it, hence why there are many active developers other than Bitcoin Core.
And basically, the forks are happening when a big part of the community is not agreeing with part one or another development made by them ?
Yes.  Usually the forks we are talking about are forks of the Bitcoin Core software in which people are taking the Bitcoin Core software and altering it to suit their preferences.  Of course they have to garner a lot of support for their alteration, otherwise the fork does not become relevant.  There are other forks including unintentional ones, but the ones we are talking about are intentional.
And thus, my assumption that Bitcoin technology is not evolving is completely wrong?
Yes, IMO.
And, for example, I guess that the energy-consumption problem is something that they actively always try to find solutions about / make evolve in the good direction.
Yes, and altcoins are certainly providing interesting solutions as well, such as Proof of Stake and NEM's Proof of Importance system.  As of yet, it seems that the BTC community and developers do not yet think they're secure enough or good enough to replace the current Proof of Work system, and the Proof of Work system may be hard to remove because it would render billions of dollars worth of mining equipment obsolete.
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October 23, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
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Bitcoin term will never dissapear, looking at all cryptocurrencies and bitcoin, bitcoin is the most stable, most popular and most expensive virtual currency, other cryptocurrencies can dissapear very easy but not bitcoin, bitcoin just found his way in this world, bitcoin just started his destination.
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October 26, 2017, 02:10:55 PM
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Bitcoin is a convenient thing to take and disappear. And its technology is very modern. As long as the Internet exists, bitcoin will live and prosper, and these are not tales, but real facts. It will not disappear so easily (neither the Internet nor bitcoin). Bitcoin is the basis of the basics of all crypto currency, and hardly any coin can surpass it.

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October 26, 2017, 02:33:58 PM
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Your basic idea is right of technology not evolving in bitcoin. But there is no real reason for bitcoin not being able to stand several decades.
There is no kind of "technology" used in bitcoin which cant be "updated" without forking.
Even if a fork would be required, if there is a good reason to make these changes to the original bitcoin, this would be a good option since you can still
reach the majority of the userbase to make it rise and rise and make bitcoin fall.
Therefore if a fork is required it can easily be "swapped over" to a new forked coin.

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October 26, 2017, 02:43:42 PM
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All countries conduct research and development for reducing energy consumption. Heavy duty supercomputer consumes energy about 1 megawatt. in terms of its performance it is approximately equal to the human brain. For processing the same amount of information our brain spends 10-30 watts. Imagine what the prospects for science! We will see a continual increase of computing power while reducing energy consumption. Bitcoin will live.
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October 26, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
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I have no reason to think that the Bitcoins will disappear. The only thing I can see to lose the bitcoins is that the founder of this founder knows that we only know the name Satoshi Nakamoto. Even the government can not break it because it is decentralized. And we can not manipulate it because of its price. So while we live the Bitcoins are still there
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October 26, 2017, 02:52:16 PM
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They have been saying this for the last 5 years at least!

How long is "mid term" 10 years, 100 years?

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October 26, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
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The electricity consumption is high, because the difficulty is high and the amount of hashing power needed to hash it, is also very

high. So let's say another technology takes the crown, because it is more energy efficient.. then miners will flock to that technology

and the difficulty of Bitcoin will drop.. making it more energy efficient again. The difficulty of the other Alt coin will go through the

roof and it's difficulty will also increase. { It cannot stay the same }  Wink

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