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June 18, 2025, 07:01:36 AM
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What's wrong with remembering 12 words?
Everything, if it's the only backup you have. It's a single point of failure and should be avoided.

Okay, one slip on an icy road followed by a head injury can change many things but so can change many things when you write down your seeds on paper or on anything else and store somewhere. It only takes someone to find your seeds to steal your coins.
This can be mitigated by multisig setups or extending the seed with one or more passphrases. Each individual component can be stored in different locations.

If you plan to tell the location of your seed phrases to someone else, you are putting yourself into grave danger. There is a saying: If more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.
That's true for so many other things. Be careful who you let in your life and who you choose to spend it with. Problems and lack of trust between life partners have existed long before Bitcoin and would have continued to exist even if Bitcoin was never created. If you can't trust a person with your other secrets and private life, they shouldn't know about your financials either.

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Today at 12:06:38 PM
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I think you have a point, most would probably agree that trying to memorize your seed while keeping your full backups physically is just an added security measure for the user's convenience so that they don't have to travel from point A to point B to get to their original seed. If they've memorized their seed phrase, they can recover it instantly from anywhere, and if they forget it, they can simply access their backups stored in secure locations.
Almost no one likes my idea of memorizing seed phrases.

What's wrong with remembering 12 words?
Everything, if it's the only backup you have. It's a single point of failure and should be avoided.
And when you have physical backups, there are lots of risks involved too, isn't it true? You might lost it or someone might steal it from a physical place but no one can steal it from your brain.

Okay, one slip on an icy road followed by a head injury can change many things but so can change many things when you write down your seeds on paper or on anything else and store somewhere. It only takes someone to find your seeds to steal your coins.
This can be mitigated by multisig setups or extending the seed with one or more passphrases. Each individual component can be stored in different locations.
As I said, physical backups can be stolen or lost. Flood, fire and other disasters are also a huge threat. More storage location (and multisigs also) also means more complexity and increased complexity results in more human errors. Since you are against the idea of memorizing seed phrases, in extending the seed with one or more passphrase, you probably mean a simple and short passphrases, which are vulnerable to brute-force attack and if you plan to add a strong passphrase, then just remember those 12 words and that's all.
We can talk a lot about this subject but one thing is clear, everything has the price. Increased security equals to increased responsibility.

If you plan to tell the location of your seed phrases to someone else, you are putting yourself into grave danger. There is a saying: If more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.
That's true for so many other things. Be careful who you let in your life and who you choose to spend it with. Problems and lack of trust between life partners have existed long before Bitcoin and would have continued to exist even if Bitcoin was never created. If you can't trust a person with your other secrets and private life, they shouldn't know about your financials either.
Today things are much worse, especially in younger generation, loyalty almost doesn't exist.

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Today at 02:35:29 PM
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Almost no one likes my idea of memorizing seed phrases.

I memorized my 12-word seed too, but that serves me just as daily "backup" because I rely on more reliable storage method for the real deal


in extending the seed with one or more passphrase, you probably mean a simple and short passphrases, which are vulnerable to brute-force attack

You can extend your seed phrase by adding the simple word of your choice for example, Synchronice repeated as many times as you like, let's say 17 times. Such "simple" passphrase is impossible to crack even with all computational power currently available on Earth.


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Today at 03:24:56 PM
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And when you have physical backups, there are lots of risks involved too, isn't it true? You might lost it or someone might steal it from a physical place but no one can steal it from your brain.
Nothing is 100% secure and you can find fault with any method. That's why we often come back to the $5 wrench, a simple screwdriver, or a pair of pliers. They will make most people talk, regardless of how bulletproof their security seems to be.

The best thing is to find the optimal solution for you and stick with it. When deciding which way to go, you can also consider what is more likely to happen. Is it more likely that your home gets destroyed by an earthquake, big fire, flood or other natural disaster or that you forget your seed? The same goes for thieves entering your home and all other locations where the essentials for getting access to the seed(s) are hidden.

If we made a poll and asked people to vote what of the following has occurred in their lives, I think most would vote for the last option.

A) Earthquake damage to themselves and their property
B) Fire damage to themselves and their property
C) Flood damage to themselves and their property
D) Home robbery
E) Forgetting something important and crucial

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