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July 06, 2013, 11:04:35 PM |
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I just got done speaking with PayPal on the phone and they are "nicely" going to give me a refund for one of the scam transactions and probably not the other. Apparently, sellers have zero protection thru eBay if the good is intangible, like Bitcoins despite being able to prove receipt in the case of Bitcoins. Anyways, this seller's protection hole in their policy seems to be to the advantage of scammers. The guy was aware of other such complaints to PayPal. Because of this policy gap, would this possible make eBay and PayPal complacent as tools by these scams? I'm wondering if PayPal decides against the documentation provided in the disputes whether it would be good to sue them and hopefully win in court seller protection for everyone and eliminate this policy gap (at least when it comes to Bitcoins and possible other alt currencies). Anyone with sufficient legal knowledge to chime in? Thanks.
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July 06, 2013, 11:10:29 PM |
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It's against eBay/PayPal TOS to sell bitcoins.
What fraudsters do is they dispute it as unauthorized. Or charge back.
Use Google checkout.
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July 06, 2013, 11:17:37 PM |
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Thanks TF, I'll look into it. By the way, big fan of CoinLenders and Inputs.io, really well done!
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July 06, 2013, 11:21:20 PM |
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its very interesting, as I just lost a case because paypal said "buyers have no protection for virtual items"
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July 06, 2013, 11:50:44 PM |
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its very interesting, as I just lost a case because paypal said "buyers have no protection for virtual items"
Seriously? That sucks, there needs to be both buyer & seller protection. |
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July 07, 2013, 12:06:37 AM |
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im sorry you didn't look into this before selling on ebay :<
the paypal/ebay mantra is "fuck the seller, do everything you can for the buyer."
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July 07, 2013, 12:36:21 AM |
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im sorry you didn't look into this before selling on ebay :<
the paypal/ebay mantra is "fuck the seller, do everything you can for the buyer."
Did you not see my above post? I was a buyer and got screwed |
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July 07, 2013, 09:30:07 AM |
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im sorry you didn't look into this before selling on ebay :<
the paypal/ebay mantra is "fuck the seller, do everything you can for the buyer."
Did you not see my above post? I was a buyer and got screwed You need to claim it was an "unauthorized" transaction. Just call them and they will side with you (at least the first time) |
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July 07, 2013, 10:02:56 AM |
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Scam the scammers - what are they going to do about it?
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July 07, 2013, 10:44:13 AM |
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You have to take pictures of everything and upload it to the Paypal Dispute center. You have to get an email from the registered PP/eBay account, and call the number attached to the accounts to verify it's them. It will weed out any scammers.
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July 07, 2013, 12:24:45 PM |
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You have to take pictures of everything and upload it to the Paypal Dispute center. You have to get an email from the registered PP/eBay account, and call the number attached to the accounts to verify it's them. It will weed out any scammers.
Even with pictures i don't think you could win as a seller with Paypal on dispute of Bitcoins. I would stay far away from selling them on ebay. |
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July 07, 2013, 09:18:26 PM |
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1) Sell a disposable pen to someone for $85 USD via paypal 2) Ship pen by registered mail to confirmed paypal address 3) Also send a bitcoin to the buyer's bitcoin wallet as a "free gift" 4)  ? 5) PROFIT |
Mother of no children. Part-time idiot. Full-time douche.
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July 08, 2013, 06:58:00 AM |
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You have to take pictures of everything and upload it to the Paypal Dispute center. You have to get an email from the registered PP/eBay account, and call the number attached to the accounts to verify it's them. It will weed out any scammers.
Even with pictures i don't think you could win as a seller with Paypal on dispute of Bitcoins. I would stay far away from selling them on ebay. It's different for every case because different representatives handle each case, but an email and phone call ensures that the buyer won't play the hacked account card. |
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July 08, 2013, 06:24:44 PM |
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1) Sell a disposable pen to someone for $85 USD via paypal 2) Ship pen by registered mail to confirmed paypal address 3) Also send a bitcoin to the buyer's bitcoin wallet as a "free gift" 4) ? 5) PROFIT Buyer reports pen not as described and sends it back to you for a full refund. |
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July 08, 2013, 10:59:25 PM |
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How about protection for both parties involved in the transaction? I got screwed over for purchasing a digital product that I was unable to use. I got no refund from Paypal, even after I escalated the dispute.
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