DE-MERIT?

[DAOfan]

Without a doubt de-merit would just turn BCT into an echo chamber.

You say something an active group doesn't agree with? Demerit. I dare you to just try to tell the Bitconnect crowd something negative before the cards fell in a demerit world. You would get eaten alive.

[krishnaverma]

Without a doubt de-merit would just turn BCT into an echo chamber.

You say something an active group doesn't agree with? Demerit. I dare you to just try to tell the Bitconnect crowd something negative before the cards fell in a demerit world. You would get eaten alive.

Is it wise to do something that the authority figures here do not like ? I mean if you know what works here and you want to gain higher levels, it makes more sense to follow that. As a member of the forum, you have to follow the rules here whether you like them or not. And those rules are going to be made by a few people who own this forum. Even if the majority of the members do not like this change, the decision is not going to be reversed till it effects those people.

[hilariousetc]

Personally, I'm against a publicly available demerit option. I think, as mentioned several times already, the abuse potential is just way too high.
People currently are worried about possible abuse with the positive merit system, add negative merits, there are many more angles for abuse and malicious actors.
This is however just my opinion and expectation.

I think it would be very useful for staff to demerit certain members or maybe it's also given to just a select group of other very trusted users, but it would be abused hugely if it was given to everyone and people would just bot it or devote posts from anyone they just don't like, but maybe people could vote for others and only the most trusted/quality contributors could have the privilege as well. I think it would be useful for staff as I would rather demerit someone than give them a ban for stupid shit. Maybe people would learn to stop creating stupid threads about Pepsi vs Coke or Do you prefer your parents or bitcoin if they lose merit every time they do (actual threads I've had to trash both multiple times).

[yojodojo21]

I was kinda challenged when this new feature merit appears and now there is a suggestion about demerit thingy, I know devs can evaluate greater things than this like what sir lutpin stated, but isn't that too difficult? We already have trust rating and merit adding, demerit option is god level, (bestow upon us thy mercy) However, superiors knows the best I hope that everything will be fair and square.

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Merit (pump) demerit (dump)
Respectfully yours.

[suchmoon]

it would be abused hugely if it was given to everyone and people would just bot it or devote posts from anyone they just don't like

If it's based on the same sMerits (1:10 ratio or whatever) - is that really going to be worse than potentially abusing positive merit? Negative merit abusers would be more visible so easier for merit sources to notice and perhaps avoid spreading merits to users who abuse the system. Farming positive merits might go unnoticed much further. Either case would require the abusers to put in some serious work to earn those (probably very scarce) sMerits to begin with.

I'm worried that a centralized approach (via staff or select "militia") isn't gonna solve the problem and/or create some inefficient extra layer, like the Scam Accusations. Some parts of the forum are already pretty much unmoderated, unchecked by DT, and will likely have rampant merit abuse because nobody of the 20 or 50 "militia" users will ever set foot there.

[Lutpin]

I'm worried that a centralized approach (via staff or select "militia") isn't gonna solve the problem and/or create some inefficient extra layer, like the Scam Accusations. Some parts of the forum are already pretty much unmoderated, unchecked by DT, and will likely have rampant merit abuse because nobody of the 20 or 50 "militia" users will ever set foot there.

Theymos already created a page that is de facto a merit patroller page.
It's the Top-merited recent replies/TMR topics statistics page.
A merit patroller doesn't have to browse all sections, they can browse this lists (although they could be made a bit more easily browsable (again, the comparison to the Patrol page comes to mind).
When they spot something that is out of the ordinary, they can read those posts in context of their respective threads/sections.
Should they think something is wrong there, they start investigating and conducting other patrollers for their opinion, then eventually take action.

[suchmoon]

I'm worried that a centralized approach (via staff or select "militia") isn't gonna solve the problem and/or create some inefficient extra layer, like the Scam Accusations. Some parts of the forum are already pretty much unmoderated, unchecked by DT, and will likely have rampant merit abuse because nobody of the 20 or 50 "militia" users will ever set foot there.

Theymos already created a page that is de facto a merit patroller page.
It's the Top-merited recent replies/TMR topics statistics page.
A merit patroller doesn't have to browse all sections, they can browse this lists (although they could be made a bit more easily browsable (again, the comparison to the Patrol page comes to mind).
When they spot something that is out of the ordinary, they can read those posts in context of their respective threads/sections.
Should they think something is wrong there, they start investigating and conducting other patrollers for their opinion, then eventually take action.

So all I need to avoid detection is to keep my merit abuse under 30?

I get what you're saying but I think you know quite well that with all the current tools in place - Patrol page, reporting to mods, Meta, etc - there are still shithole sections of this forum where anything goes. Altcoin threads for example. I can't see how adding one more thing to patrol is going to help.

[Lutpin]

I get what you're saying but I think you know quite well that with all the current tools in place - Patrol page, reporting to mods, Meta, etc - there are still shithole sections of this forum where anything goes. Altcoin threads for example. I can't see how adding one more thing to patrol is going to help.

Two more things quickly come to mind, ponzi scams being pushed into the IBG section instead of being outright deleted (yes I know, that is forum moderation policy and I have to accept that),
or the gambling discussion sub (which I partly suggested myself, but I'm not so sure about it's benefits anymore).

I think the moderators of those mentioned sections are doing a good job given what they have face on a day to day basis, so dont misunderstand this as me blaming them directly for the state of certain subs or sub-child.
mprep especially, I imagine has to have quite some patience and nerves to keep the upper hand on all the altcoin stuff going down. I've got mad respect for that.

[DAOfan]

Without a doubt de-merit would just turn BCT into an echo chamber.

You say something an active group doesn't agree with? Demerit. I dare you to just try to tell the Bitconnect crowd something negative before the cards fell in a demerit world. You would get eaten alive.

Is it wise to do something that the authority figures here do not like ? I mean if you know what works here and you want to gain higher levels, it makes more sense to follow that. As a member of the forum, you have to follow the rules here whether you like them or not. And those rules are going to be made by a few people who own this forum. Even if the majority of the members do not like this change, the decision is not going to be reversed till it effects those people.

Right, everything entirely depends on who the authority figures are. I guess I am old-school and don't really like a centrally controlled body policing what people have to say.