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August 22, 2013, 06:01:19 PM
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So I'm working on the infrastructure for the White City for my serial fiction "The Edyn Project" and I wanted to get some ideas for what kind of technology they should outfit the city with.

The story features a bit of an introduction to digital currency run on a decentralized, p2p system. But while chatting with some folks about the work and what's possible, I kind of wanted to push the limits of my understanding and see if I can really create a bit of a model for a sustainable utopian city (that I can then destroy for fun & writer's glee! No spoilers, I promise...) As someone I've been emailing with put it "we've already had peer to peer file sharing, but now that we have peer to peer money, a bunch of other p2p platforms can be built with economic incentives for people who contribute." (Bittunes! https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/142)

I really love the idea of the internet running p2p, maybe the combination of Namecoin running a decentralized DNS system & a mesh network. This is definitely going to feature in the story, as well as social networking. But that's kind of the limit of my understanding of what can be run decentralized p2p.

For example, I'm not sure that it would have too much effect on a health care system or a schooling system. These systems might be affected by people embracing a decentralized and community-oriented approach, but I don't know that I can imagine direct changes to those systems. Transit and food distribution are the same (though in the White City I'm plugging in some Seattle-style food gardens. (http://beaconfoodforest.weebly.com)

 Energy, however, is something that I think could definitely benefit from a decentralized collection system, though I'm not sure in operations how it would be p2p. People generate energy through solar panels, wind turbines, some Geo-thermal fancy stuff, hooking up potatoes, whatever and it all feeds into a communal system that people share. Excess is stored and redistributed to the hungry hungry masses and everyone's pretty happy.
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August 23, 2013, 05:14:14 AM
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Well I'll try pushing the limits to how far you can go without becoming transient or omnipotent in your world theory, not sure if your going for a storyboard or a few ideas so will just go with it since it seems interesting enough for a story.
Feel free to use any or none of these ideas.

Cellphones can use P2P and mining to pay for cellphone calls.

Healthcare systems can use P2P to cross consult with doctors worldwide to find solutions and in warzones online communication sometimes is the only way to access doctors.

Bitmessage can be used to send encrypted messages with namecoin becoming a decentralized domain system.

Ancient users will remember the days when Prism-break and projects like Illusion were used due to a privacy war.

Similar to the  Statement on Intellectual Freedom in Libraries can be the inital setting.

It is the most important responsibility of libraries to offer collected materials and library facilities to the people who have the Right to Know as one of their fundamental human rights. In order to fulfill their mission, libraries shall recognize the following matters as their proper duties, and shall put them into practice.
1.Libraries have freedom in collecting their materials.
2.Libraries secure the freedom of offering their materials.
3.Libraries guarantee the privacy of users.
4.Libraries oppose any type of censorship categorically.
When the freedom of libraries is imperiled, we librarians will work together and devote ourselves to secure the freedom

Schooling will be affected but not by P2P but the greater effect of online education
edX is only the beginning in Present Time by then the developments are at far larger scales that provide knowledge from multiple locations.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/harvard-mit-joining-forces-in-online-partnership-1.804095

Transit I can only ponder upon I would imagine that it would look cool or mix art with precision such as rideback with fully integrated tech some basic engineering such as collision detection artistic design etc.

http://caetanosilva.com/Akira-Bike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB6h7snP8O8

Just one example of the possibilities haven't even mentioned cars I presume they will not be flying yet.
Floating perhaps using engine power from concentrated energy but not up to hard light yet.
Powered by atomic concentration of atoms, p2p somewhere in there.

AI WISE: Imagine something similar to Summer Wars
Land of Oz where we have virtual intelligence and people running the systems through visual communications screens but with wireless transmission of the bitcoins we could have Virtual Admins in an interactive system the blockchain can be the middle basically super p2p Smiley

Food Distribution: Depends on how you view it if the technology is sufficient enough automated food delivery systems could be launched at larger scales and they might work more efficiently decentralized but that is beyond our tech but who knows with the increases in processing power and the movements of robotics if you watch Daily Planet we might see that in higher frequencies in the not so distant future. The application of p2p technology to food distribution may be just as significant as the application of the Green revolution by reducing waste by-products in manufacturing and improving processing efficiencies.

Energy: Well that one is fascinating I can see applications of a decentralized power network spread through independant power generation but at scales large enough to create mesh networks the technicals would be interesting.

I wish it was as simple as saying microwaves but if you know your history microwaves fry cows over longer distances and power cannot be transmitted to satellites and resent back to recievers yet, unfortunately we are not in Halo and do not have the Orbital Defense platforms being powered from ground based power stations.

That said applications of decentralization to energy would prevent a single point of failure if the powers are not spread through wired transmission but through wireless instead.

The issue of soft energy is not yet settled but geothermal provides a base for heating energy, applications of it to a larger power generation becomes interesting could be moving parts example wheel rotation powering your car battery or something rarely considered such as the energy produced by friction in a number of different technologies applying it to some ideas.

Anyways went a bit long, best of luck with your book.

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August 27, 2013, 11:20:23 PM
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This is awesome! Not only are your ideas interesting & informative, I find them also personally inspiring. I actually just registered for a EdX.org.  Taking an economics course & an architecture course. Cool

 
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August 28, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
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Tor, and BitTorrent are 2 already widely used P2P technologies. Now we have p2p internet, file sharing and money, i don't think we need anything else to be p2p (yet).
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August 28, 2013, 03:29:50 PM
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Since Satoshi, everything can be P2P.

Because he solved the long-standing problem of finding consensus in a distributed system. And that's generally, really.

Everything is data, and data is in databases, and databases can now run without requiring a central administrator.

It may be a question of scale and performance, but still, with Moore's Law and all...

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What's Moore's Law?
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August 28, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
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What's Moore's Law?

fixed  Wink

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Thank you! Smiley
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August 28, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
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p2p email (fully encrypted) would be an interesting concept.  The NSA put pressure on Snowden's email provider.  What if Sownden didn't have an email provider and instead used a p2p client that connected to a cloud of redundant nodes which contributed disk capacity and bandwidth to store and relay email messages?

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Last edit: August 31, 2013, 04:33:50 AM by Swordsoffreedom
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This is awesome! Not only are your ideas interesting & informative, I find them also personally inspiring. I actually just registered for a EdX.org.  Taking an economics course & an architecture course. Cool

 

Thanks I hope you do well in EdX, I would take some courses but I'm already registered for a full load in university so no time for it when the semester starts but I personally liked the idea.

Keeping a pulse on technology is important after all to make a big organization, and to stay ahead of the curve and be ready to invest if someone can start the ball on those types of technologies.
(Especially in cases where Occams Razor simplifies the possibility to the fewest logical steps in a sequence)

The applications of Future technology on Ekistics and its implications in how we view human settlement and city design can be a fun quandry especially when we consider it through the lens of Verstehen.

And the access to that capital to invest in future projects by investing small growing your postions and then snowballing it over time.

(Sorry went a little bit overboard on the words here organizing my folders by type and some of the bigger ideas I was reviewing and applying to this post)

Science
http://www.jove.com/

Education forgot about this last time although I cannot think of its P2P applications closest is Phil of The Future Tv screen education
http://www.ccma.ca/

And Here's a wonderful website  Wink
http://www.zombo.com/


p2p email (fully encrypted) would be an interesting concept.  The NSA put pressure on Snowden's email provider.  What if Sownden didn't have an email provider and instead used a p2p client that connected to a cloud of redundant nodes which contributed disk capacity and bandwidth to store and relay email messages?

Great thing is the network could be designed from the ground up to integrate with Bitcoin at a low level.  

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I think it's called retroshare currently but implemented to a protocol network it would be something else entirely.
http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

The question however becomes how fast can you break it with software such as oclHashcat.
Although if I recall correctly the NSA has funded projects that can break any encryption instantly although I cannot recall what type of computing it was it is well discussed in those fields, if you can enlighten me on the word I am looking for it would be appreciated.

Edit in: On recollection its the field of Quantam computing was what I was thinking of and these type of projects
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130516-big-bets-on-quantum-computers

Second Edit In: http://ctlt.ubc.ca/2013/01/31/massive-open-online-courses-at-ubc/

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@ DeathandTaxes
I think it's called retroshare currently but implemented to a protocol network it would be something else entirely.
http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

yup, was about to mention RetroShare, it uses a Web-Of-Trust rather than a Proof-of-Work approach though.

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These are awesome ideas! Thanks guys!

I finished a little game demo for the Edyn Project, in case you'd like to take a look at it! http://www.cottontailmarketing.com/theedynproject.html
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This looks like it will become a fun adventure game  Cheesy

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