BitBet incorrectly declares yes to a no bet. Stay Away from BitBet!!

[integrity42]

This job offer is public, and explicitly states that I'm not selling my identity. You felt proud of "outing" me but how can you out me of something public? For someone so fond of the meaning of words, you're a bit of a failure don't you think?

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that you can't even sockpuppet right, you were outed right from the start.

Whats a sockpuppet?   What are you even talking about?  This thread is about the 400Gh miner not being 400Gh. please stay on topic.

[Anenome5]

Next time don't do a combo performance + ship date. It should be ship date only, and if you want to bet on performance, bet on that separately.

That's way too easy, they could ship you a miner made of block eruptors (actually, there are some on eBay!) and get away with it.

Just to win a 40 btc bet? That's ridiculous.

[Anduck]

This job offer is public, and explicitly states that I'm not selling my identity. You felt proud of "outing" me but how can you out me of something public? For someone so fond of the meaning of words, you're a bit of a failure don't you think?

Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that you can't even sockpuppet right, you were outed right from the start.

Whats a sockpuppet?   What are you even talking about?  This thread is about the 400Gh miner not being 400Gh. please stay on topic.

Sockpuppeting means using a different account to bump and praise your main accounts thoughts and opinions, for example. If one has more than 1 account, the others are sockpuppet accounts.

Order 400GH -> Get 400GH.
The color of the miner is yellow but they promised it's red!!! They didn't deliver the advertised performance?

[integrity42]

Please stay on topic people. The discussion here is what a 'UNIT' is defined as. Lets keep the discussion relevant.

No more name-calling and trolling.

[integrity42]

No you created the discussion about the bet, but you want it to talk about what you think an unit is, which is irrelevant.

You're bad at this; here is my professional advice: just stop. Shouldn't you be coding that Bitbet competitor anyway?

Please stay on topic and stop hijacking the thread with your trolling posts.  The discussion is what a unit is considered to be.

As the bet states, a 400Gh unit, must perform as advertised on bifurystrikesback.com

This is what was advertised http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/

It did not do 400Gh. it did 365Gh.  Therefore the bet is a no.

If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion, stop trolling and hijacking the thread please.

[Anduck]

Well when I go to that site, I see the title being "400GH Miner Full Kit (October Delivery)".

Then I see the product description under the title "Product Description".

Then I see the section that has a title called "Performance".

Then I look what that section says... it says:
- 400GHash/s
- Total power  draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)


The bet was about advertised performance. That thing, what is written at the "Performance" -section, is the advertised performance.

[integrity42]

Ah, so I see the problem! 

You didn't read what was written right underneath that part:

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What’s included:
1 Master board
16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips
Raspberry Pi Model B with SD card and software preinstalled
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This is what everyone, including punin, considers to be a unit.

So when the bet says '400Gh unit 400W', it is based on the hardware described above.  When this hardware only did 365Gh, it didn't meet performance targets, and the bet should be a no.

Trying to fudge the definition of a unit so that it can include 'multiple units' or an unlimited amount of hardware that was not as advertised to make the bet pass is complete farce.  It makes people think that BitBet is some sort of scam, or that someone paid them off to pass the bet as a yes.

[Anduck]

Ah, so I see the problem!  

You didn't read what was written right underneath that part:

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What’s included:
1 Master board
16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips
Raspberry Pi Model B with SD card and software preinstalled
--------------------------

This is what everyone, including punin, considers to be a unit.

So when the bet says '400Gh unit 400W', it is based on the hardware described above.  When this hardware only did 365Gh, it didn't meet performance targets, and the bet should be a no.

Trying to fudge the definition of a unit so that it can include 'multiple units' or an unlimited amount of hardware that was not as advertised to make the bet pass is complete farce.  It makes people think that BitBet is some sort of scam, or that someone paid them off to pass the bet as a yes.

Hardware specs of the 400gh unit changed, yes. But the advertised performance did not... They had to use more hardware to make the 400gh unit (the thing people ordered). Read the thread carefully, there are pretty valid points for the bet resolution to be correct.

[integrity42]

You can only have a performance bet based on a particular set of hardware at the time the bet was advertised, according to BitBet, the 'advertised performance' statement is only valid concerning the advertised hardware at the time the bet was created. If the hardware changes, then the bet is either void, or a no, because the hardware as advertised didn't perform as required.

[integrity42]

Latest bombshell to drop... another smoking gun that proves 1 unit is M-board + 16 H-card + Rpi, as advertised on bitfurystrikesback.com

Full kit = one unit = M-board + 16 H-cards + RPi.

And this is the user that posted pictures of his miner to help 'resolve' the bet.

Even people receiving the units themselves admit that 400Gh was not delivered in 1 unit.

Furthur evidence that performance specs , as advertised, were not met, and why the bet should have been a clear no.

[deizel]

If the unit advertised met the performance advertised there would be no need to package extra hardware.

[Anduck]

If the unit advertised met the performance advertised there would be no need to package extra hardware.

He asked this thing in another thread and got the answer from BFSB. Thought it's worth sharing it here so everyone can see the bet was correctly declared as yes.

We should be getting boards next week, so we're looking very good regarding shipping everything in time in october. We will start with preparing the 400GH units (as these require hand-picking of the cards).

Hey punin. Great work and thanks for the update. Just wondering what amount of hardware makes up a 400GH unit?

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

[integrity42]

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

This proves that the bet was incorrectly passed and should have been a NO.  

He admits that one UNIT (as advertised) is 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi.

See how he says they had to ship extra hardware because they missed performance specs?

The bet is a no.  The hardware didn't perform as advertised.

[Anduck]

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

This proves that the bet was incorrectly passed and should have been a NO.  

He admits that one UNIT (as advertised) is 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi.

See how he says they had to ship extra hardware because they missed performance specs?

The bet is a no.  The hardware didn't perform as advertised.

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

[VolanicEruptor]

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

This proves that the bet was incorrectly passed and should have been a NO.  

He admits that one UNIT (as advertised) is 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi.

See how he says they had to ship extra hardware because they missed performance specs?

The bet is a no.  The hardware didn't perform as advertised.

We are aiming at 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi, but this varies depending on the hash-rate we get from the cards. Some august units consisted of 2 M-boards to fulfill the promised 400GH performance per unit.

Yeah, according to that quote, it should pass as a YES, since one whole unit is fulfilling 400GH 

[integrity42]

Wow. I can make really big fonts too.

He admits that one UNIT (as advertised) is 16 H-cards + 1-Mboard + RasPi. 

2M-boards is 2 units.  1M-board is 1 unit.

They did not reach 400Gh/sec in 1 UNIT (1M-board), which is what was ADVERTISED.  and which is what the BET was based on.

If the hardware amount can change at any time then the BET SHOULD BE VOID OR NO.

The hardware did not perform as advertised. Therefore the bet is a NO.


Now that you see we can all make big fonts. lets keep the discourse civil. shall we?

[integrity42]

I notice that either Anduck fraudlently made up that punin quote, or punin EDITED his post.

I have asked him again what amount of hardware was originally advertised for 400Gh.

We will see if he responds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3218725#msg3218725

[Anduck]

I notice that either Anduck fraudlently made up that punin quote, or punin EDITED his post.

I have asked him again what amount of hardware was originally advertised for 400Gh.

We will see if he responds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3218725#msg3218725

Well - We all know what was originally advertised as 400gh unit hardware. The actual delivered hardware changed for August orders. Read this thread and look for the posts that suggest the bet outcome was determined correctly. You can't say unit must be 1 m-board + 16 h-boards.. the bet said 25gh unit and 400gh unit, if unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards, what is 25gh unit? This means you can't define unit by the hardware.

The quote is real - and indeed, the post has been edited by its' author. You saw the original post though so... don't even bring up the possibility of faking a quote, please. Also note that you quoted it first, lol.