Abortion is a God Given Right of Females like the right to bear Arms

[o_e_l_e_o]

I think you're not seeing the whole picture of pregnancy. How about picturing your first kick of child, first baby shower, how you're going to play with your child, how he/she will be growing up with time...instead of being pessimistic all the time. Even though I'm a man, I know how it's being pregnant.

This is one of the most ridiculously condescending things I've ever read. A man explaining to a woman he has never met and does not know, and having no idea whether she has ever been pregnant, what it's like to be pregnant.

Why you think you can lecture her about what she can and cannot do with her life is beyond me. She is absolutely right - you are talking nonsense.

[NadiaHel]

I think you're not seeing the whole picture of pregnancy. How about picturing your first kick of child, first baby shower, how you're going to play with your child, how he/she will be growing up with time...instead of being pessimistic all the time. Even though I'm a man, I know how it's being pregnant.

This is one of the most ridiculously condescending things I've ever read. A man explaining to a woman he has never met and does not know, and having no idea whether she has ever been pregnant, what it's like to be pregnant.

Why you think you can lecture her about what she can and cannot do with her life is beyond me. She is absolutely right - you are talking nonsense.

Absolutely. And, sadly, it is too common too. Women body are public property in the mind of too many people. But, you know, there are always those with a brain inside their heads...
I`ve been always questioned about why I don`t want to get pregnant. Everyone feels entitled to give their opinion regarding my desition, for I love children and I spend a lot of time with them, but many can `t understand why, being surrounded by children, I don`t want one of my own. I have never had the will of being pregnant, I don`t want to be a biological mother, but, again, everybody seems to have an opinion and they just can`t shut up, they feel aways entitled to advice me about how "beautiful" is to become a mother.
Of course, they see a starving child and see to the other side, or, as much, they give a "like" in Facebook to a movement against childhood hunger, at the same time they give a "like" to all the anti-abortion platforms.
Well there are people actually fighting against the hunger. And, the most you fight, the less you want to bring another child into this world.

[vphasitha01]

I think you're not seeing the whole picture of pregnancy. How about picturing your first kick of child, first baby shower, how you're going to play with your child, how he/she will be growing up with time...instead of being pessimistic all the time. Even though I'm a man, I know how it's being pregnant.

This is one of the most ridiculously condescending things I've ever read. A man explaining to a woman he has never met and does not know, and having no idea whether she has ever been pregnant, what it's like to be pregnant.

I`ve been always questioned about why I don`t want to get pregnant.

I have never had the will of being pregnant, I don`t want to be a biological mother, but, again, everybody seems to have an opinion and they just can`t shut up, they feel aways entitled to advice me about how "beautiful" is to become a mother.

The way she is expressing her ideas it's obvious man. Oh no now she confirmed too. You're saying that father's are  not capable of explaining about pregnancy to a another women who actually didn't want to get pregnant at all,even though that father's are gone through with their wives pregnancy period together.

Of course, they see a starving child and see to the other side, or, as much, they give a "like" in Facebook to a movement against childhood hunger, at the same time they give a "like" to all the anti-abortion platforms.

I'm not a total "anti-abortion" member.

Why you think you can lecture her about what she can and cannot do with her life is beyond me.

I'm not lecturing her about what she can do and cannot do, she can do whatever she want. I just want to share my view regarding her thoughts about "abortion" thing only. If you read carefully about her posts that you will noticed how many times she has explained followings.

-This is my body and I can do whatever I want( I didn't questioning about her decisions but her attitude towards mothering)
- This world is over populated( do you think abortion is the answer?)

I have fully respect about her decision that not wanting to become mother, but not the reasons that she gaves to justify that her decision while generalizing her decisions with other women's who actually loves mothering. Don't you see she is seeing most of the women's should not get pregnant since world is over populated.

Religious attitudes, like should have more babies even though you cannot feed them is another problem that we shouldn't get mixed with abortion thing. It must be addressed separately by their own religious teaching. In fact I'm with her in that argument of people should not giving birth to many children if they cannot feed them.

[NadiaHel]

The typical way of easy-debating: you choose those words of the other one that just fix with your own argument, even if it is decontextualized, and then you build your own nonsense-speech.

You forget I`ve also wrote that:

Besides, it is your point, it is how you see to become a father -you can`t imagine what a mother is. And I respect that. I love when the people around me have children. But then, why I can`t be respected if I don`t want one? Why is your opinion more important than mine?

Besides, you can`t even answer the central question:

So, in conclusion, and with the aim of returning to the original question: do you agree with women being forced to carry and give birth to an undesired son?

I don`t think that most of the women should stop having children. I just think that women should have the right to decide for themselves.
And ... jajaja, no, I am not  a man!!

The way she is expressing her ideas it's obvious man.

[vphasitha01]

The typical way of easy-debating: you choose those words of the other one that just fix with your own argument, even if it is decontextualized, and then you build your own nonsense-speech.

How can I know some part of your arguments are decontextualized. Then it is better to avoid those words in the first place without wasting other person's time.

You forget I`ve also wrote that:

Besides, it is your point, it is how you see to become a father -you can`t imagine what a mother is. And I respect that. I love when the people around me have children. But then, why I can`t be respected if I don`t want one? Why is your opinion more important than mine?

Then you completely forgot what I've posted:

Who says that you're not respected, I'm not the one who spelled it. I don't say my openion is more important than yours, but I just only want to say don't generalize the your problem with others whose actually wanting babies not murders.

Besides, you can`t even answer the central question:

So, in conclusion, and with the aim of returning to the original question: do you agree with women being forced to carry and give birth to an undesired son?

No, I'm not. However, that undesired part must be clearly defined. I already told that there are some exceptions where we should be allowed "abortion", but not like an excuse for just being simply irresponsible and carelessness.

I don`t think that most of the women should stop having children. I just think that women should have the right to decide for themselves.
And ... jajaja, no, I am not  a man!!

yeah, I know that you are not a man. I'm answering for o_e_l_e_o which I believed man by highlighting two quotes of yours.

I have answered yours. So now can you answers mine?

- Do you believe since the world is overpopulated, women should give the licence to abortion?
- Do you believe humans have "unnatural reproduction behaviour" and is that the ultimate reason for the world destruction? So, is that final answer "abortion?"

P.S. - How do you even know the undesired fetus is a son? We need around 20 weeks to decide babies gender.

[o_e_l_e_o]

- Do you believe since the world is overpopulated, women should give the licence to abortion?

Women should have access to safe, legal abortion, regardless of world population.

- Do you believe humans have "unnatural reproduction behaviour" and is that the ultimate reason for the world destruction? So, is that final answer "abortion?"

World population is growing exponentially, so yes, one might call that "unnatural", and it is certainly putting a strain on worldwide resources. The answer is better sex education, better methods of contraception, better access to contraception, and removal of religious influences from these areas.

I'd love to see a world with very few abortions, but until we can get there by doing all the things I just mentioned, I won't be trying to remove half the population's bodily autonomy and basic rights.

[vphasitha01]

- Do you believe since the world is overpopulated, women should give the licence to abortion?

Women should have access to safe, legal abortion, regardless of world population.

That's what I thought too, we didn't want to drag the "world population" problem into "abortion". Those two problems should be addressed separately. Can I know your honest opinion as a doctor, Is it required to safe access for abortion without considering the root cause of pregnancy or other reasonable exceptions?

- Do you believe humans have "unnatural reproduction behaviour" and is that the ultimate reason for the world destruction? So, is that final answer "abortion?"

World population is growing exponentially, so yes, one might call that "unnatural", and it is certainly putting a strain on worldwide resources. The answer is better sex education, better methods of contraception, better access to contraception, and removal of religious influences from these areas.

Agreed. Those are the steps what we should be adopted rather going for the easy options. That might be not easy, but at the end of the day, it is the right thing to do.

I'd love to see a world with very few abortions, but until we can get there by doing all the things I just mentioned, I won't be trying to remove half the population's bodily autonomy and basic rights.

I have doubts whether the fetus also has the same autonomy(my belief is women has the greater bodily autonomy than a fetus) and if not, what extent that the fetus has similar rights?


I'm more than happy to know what is the NadiaHel's answer for my previous two questions since I already answered hers.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Can I know your honest opinion as a doctor, Is it required to safe access for abortion without considering the root cause of pregnancy or other reasonable exceptions?

Yes and no. Abortion is not without physical, mental and emotional risks to the mother, as well as being more costly than contraception, and so as a society we should always be striving to reduced unwanted pregnancies, in part through the methods I mentioned above. However, abortion should be safely and legally accessible to all who want it (up to say 20-24 weeks), without having to justify why they want it or prove that they deserve it.

I have doubts whether the fetus also has the same autonomy(my belief is women has the greater bodily autonomy than a fetus) and if not, what extent that the fetus has similar rights?

By definition, a fetus cannot have autonomy because it does not possess the capacity to make decisions. The question is whether you think the rights of the fetus supersede the rights of the mother, and the answer to that is no.

[vphasitha01]

One last question to clear my clouds is what will be happened if husband and wife getting agreed for making a baby and wife got pregnant, then suddenly wife changes her mind for an abortion, but the father still wants that baby where they agreed on the first place. So bodily autonomy of a woman exceeds the fathers will? (I'm not talking about the unplanned pregnancy scenarios). "Bodily autonomy" can we take as a right?

[o_e_l_e_o]

One last question to clear my clouds is what will be happened if husband and wife getting agreed for making a baby and wife got pregnant, then suddenly wife changes her mind for an abortion, but the father still wants that baby where they agreed on the first place. So bodily autonomy of a woman exceeds the fathers will? (I'm not talking about the unplanned pregnancy scenarios). "Bodily autonomy" can we take as a right?

This is more of a grey area, but I would still argue the woman should make the final decision.

[NadiaHel]

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You just took my own thoughts from my mind and put them into words.
Thanks.

[LeGaulois]

I am not for abortion but I have no problem with ladies in need to abort. The reasons are quite simple, while I am against it, it doesn't disturb my life they do what they want. And secondly I don't have to give a directive to someone I don't care about.

[inashed]

This is false analogy.

Abortion is equivalent of using a gun to kill inocent people, and not equivalent to having a gun.

No one (excluding arnarcho individualists, and almost no one is a anarcho individualist) think the act of using a gun kill an inocent person should be considered ok thing to do.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Abortion is equivalent of using a gun to kill inocent people

Except it isn't.

[EverydayBtc]

I think they have the right to do anything in their body. Life is a continuous process and it has been for a million of years.

[inashed]

Abortion is equivalent of using a gun to kill inocent people

Except it isn't.

OP is equating having a gun that a item not made to kill inocent people but that can be used by a evil person to kill inocent people, to abortion.

He is like saying "if you are allowed to remove someone life, why cant you abort".
The thing is you arent allowed to remove someone (inocent) life and no one (excluding anarcho egoists) think you should be, you are allowed to have gun and thats a different thing. Being able to use a knife or thinking you should be able to use a knife dont automatically make you think you should (or imply you should) be allowed to kill inocent people with knifes.

The abortion is the killing of the person itself and the only way to separate abortion from killing is if at the future we invent some technology were we get the baby or fetus from body A and put it at body B without 0% chance of the fetus/baby dying at the process.
If and when that technology exist you will be able to say "if right to bear Arm is a god given right, abortion also is" and almost no one would complain about getting a baby/fetus from body A and sending it from body B (assuming it 100% failproof).

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

the little patriarchy is still trying to rule the body of female? I love it... to calibrate new R&D in weaponry, you the fake moralists are perfect to make to die.

it's just a game of violence now, there is no need to discuss with the other side, they want to own the body of another one, so flash wars, exterminations etc... it's so fast, ai mind reading, forbid women to own her body, instadeath.

no mercy, no pity, no dialogue...

no need.