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November 30, 2013, 01:34:36 AM
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I actually emotionally agree with the idea but intellectually I have lots of issues.

I've touched on inflation. It's fantastic idea if you can build unlimited houses but who's going to build these houses when there's no real profit? Are we banning the free market too? Wr're going to need to. What if one of these people decide to buy drugs rather than a home and food? What if lots do that? What if they don't want what you think they should want?

Friedman never seems to consider hyperinflation. If you give everyone 20k to me that's almost the same as giving no-one anything.



You puzzle me.  The idea here is that we are already paying out this money through things like mortgage tax credit and social security.  But we have created an immense bureaucracy to "target" the payments. 

Take away that bureaucracy and pay everyone the exact same amount.  Forget targeting - its more cost that its worth. 

And stop worrying about who will build houses and cars - its not your problem.  Unless there is some regulation preventing houses and cars being built, they will be built. 

Anyway, in the US no-one will ever dare suggest changing mortgage tax credit or social security so its politically impossible.  Lets see how the idea does when put to vote in Switzerland.  It may be an ideal first country as its really a federation of tiny cantons and one of them could go first.

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November 30, 2013, 05:03:02 AM
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120,000 Swiss signed a petition to hold a referendum on implementing a living wage in Switzerland.

http://rt.com/news/swiss-adult-minimum-wage-794/

What I'm extremely interested in, is where does Bitcoin help with living wage and other progressive schemes in a society moving towards a post-scarcity economy?

I'm also interested in how Bitcoins could be used to help build local co-operatives of people: imagine a neighbourhood with people of various skillsets and resources. How can Bitcoin, 3D printing and other breakthrough technologies improve the social economy?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

since I came in contact with bitcoin, i have developped a kind of lets system for my region. If you check it out let me know what you think, I like feedback!

www.tbrabantskwartiertje.info/indexenglish.html

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November 30, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
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It works like this:

Without a vehicle to siphon wealth away from the individual and to the collective (i.e. hyperinflating fiat currencies), accomplished by using such monies like precious metals or bitcoin (not their redeemable paper counterparts but the actual items), and without a system that guarantees the top of the pyramid will always take more wealth from the working bottom, the individual retains the value of all his work done, and when coupled with machines that make the individual's job easier, he generates more energy than he expends, thus making his life more and more comfortable.

There is way too much intellectual power wasted trying to circumvent this core issue.  It's as simple as seeing it as it is......

Arguably (even for a fanatical Randian like myself) there exists an exception, which would be an extremely wealthy state that does not have to take from some and give to others...

Kuwait comes to mind.
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December 03, 2013, 12:32:46 AM
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Arguably (even for a fanatical Randian like myself) there exists an exception, which would be an extremely wealthy state that does not have to take from some and give to others...

Given sufficient technological advancement, this could eventually be the whole world.  In a world where machines take care of all the manual labor, there's going to have to be some adjustment.  Those fast food want fries with that kind of jobs will go away, and people will either have to step up their game to qualify for any kind of human employment, or they will have to be provided for.  Some people are almost by their nature inherently useless.  Some, though, given the freedom to do so, will do things that appear to be useless and may only be recognized as worth doing after they're dead.  Artists are often in this class.
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December 03, 2013, 12:00:07 PM
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120,000 Swiss signed a petition to hold a referendum on implementing a living wage in Switzerland.

http://rt.com/news/swiss-adult-minimum-wage-794/

What I'm extremely interested in, is where does Bitcoin help with living wage and other progressive schemes in a society moving towards a post-scarcity economy?

I'm also interested in how Bitcoins could be used to help build local co-operatives of people: imagine a neighbourhood with people of various skillsets and resources. How can Bitcoin, 3D printing and other breakthrough technologies improve the social economy?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

since I came in contact with bitcoin, i have developped a kind of lets system for my region. If you check it out let me know what you think, I like feedback!

www.tbrabantskwartiertje.info/indexenglish.html

That's really interesting, and I was playing with the idea of something similar in my own head! Very impressed that you have implemented it. I work in Helmond too, great to see an initiative like this so close by!

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