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December 19, 2013, 02:01:52 AM
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Just be happy, and keep hashin' !

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December 19, 2013, 02:18:30 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong..  BTC price has no direct impact on difficulty. Only hashrate, and that is not going to go down.

If network hashrate went from 3500 Ths to 5000 Ths in November (15k increase, and difficulty went from 400M to 600M)....

And.... in the first 18 days of December, hashrate has increased from 5000 Ths to 9000+ Ths.(additional 4000+ and counting Ths's, with expected difficulty rise to 1.1B or so, up ~300M, due in a couple days.

And.... there has been few large shipments of new equipment(is that right? Maybe some Antminers or cubes?)

Then.... Where is all this hashing power coming from?  5 Petahashes in 3 weeks? MY assumption is that one of, some of, or all of (Neptunes, Prosperos, Terraminers, Coincrafts, Sierras etc..) are coming online as we speak, i.e. for testing or flat out raking in BTC.
If hashrate increases are coming from bitfury chips and old idle eruptors/hobbyists, and all the new equipment is truly still in production to be shipped as scheduled Q1 (or not, lol), difficulty will go absolutely crazy, and be much, much higher than the 30% increases going forward the next few months. Does anyone have an educated guess as to how much hashing has been preordered?
 
However, I don't think that's the real picture.  This spreadsheet has been pretty good so far
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auya3iRE6az1dDc0UVgwMU52YVpTazVjSHByOGNiWHc&usp=sharing#gid=8
(I'm sorry I don't remember the author, but thank you!)
Even if it's slightly and self-admittedly pessimistic, I see no reason to believe it's not going to be a decent ballpark estimate going forward, which means to me, all(or alot of) the new equipment promised/paid-for is already hashing, and more coming online everyday, and going to continue until sometime in April, when the manufacturers decide they are done teasing everybody with those fashionably late "February Batch" or "Q2" machines, and they decide to start production of their first petahash units.  At which point they'll empty the warehouse a little more freely, fully knowing those units are almost useless. 
So, my guess is that it would make sense if the difficulty increases will be close to 30% near-term with an upside bias (So Jan 1 guess something like up 500M, then 600M, 700M, and 800M until everything is hashing (yet, we won't have, or will slowly get, all that new hashrate)

But "IF" that spreadsheet is even close: You'll lose thousands in 12 months of mining with even top-of-the-line equipment (even if it puts out more than advertised), at which point electricity costs exceed returns, and you have to throw it out.  http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/f56883f7cb
UNLESS.... BTC goes back over $1000 and you manage to break even.  (That could be stressful depending on WHEN , or possibly "if", it goes back over $1000)
So I still don't know the answer, but I do think the game is rigged to some extent.

Big question for me is "Is this the pipe dream, carrot dangling, get rich quick scheme I've been looking for?"  Or is it truly history in the making.  Whats after 28nm 500ghs asic chips?  Where does the technology hit the wall?  Are they gonna let me pre-order these 14nm cpus they'll be stuffing in my smartphone in 2014 that can hash as well as any ASIC chip and tell me I can get a group buy for 100 of them for $25 ea so that I can populate my wasp and hive with, getting 2 gazillion hs's?  But hey, if BTC is $100,000, that's a deal maker, right?
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December 19, 2013, 07:25:42 AM
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Oh god, "frozen blockchain state" are you fucking kidding me?

This crash is no bigger or different than April...did the difficulty or mining stop then?

Cut it out with the "running around like a chicken with your head cut off" routine and think a bit.

My miners will be running 24/7 until the cost efficiency is negative...and then I will mine some more.

No one is turning off their ASIC because of this crash. I don't care what the price is, my only goal as a miner is to obtain more XBT so when it goes back up....and as inevitably as the tide it will...I am holding as much as I can get my hands on.



was roflol when I saw this post. You nailed it. The "frozen chain state" is the most comical thing I've heard all week.

Moving to Puerto Rico...
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December 19, 2013, 02:12:10 PM
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A Jupiter will mine ~10 BTC in December, and consumes less than 1000 watts / hour.

If electricity is 15 cents per kilowatt hour, the Jupiter will cost around $100 a month to run 24/7 and earn ~$5000 per month at the current BTC price of $500 per coin.

Exactly. The network wont slow down as long as mining revenue is above marginal (ie electricity) cost. Bitcoin price would have to drop well below $10 before asic miners would start shutting down some machines at todays difficulty.

Whatever happens to the price of bitcoin, considering the amount of gear that has been preordered already (20+ PH), there is pretty much zero chance of the network rate going down over the next months. Even if bitcoin would crash to below $10, those mining rigs would end up at miners that have dirt cheap or free electricity.

Price crashing could become a minor issue in 12-18  months or so.  Assuming by that time we approach the point where mining is only marginally profitable, ie electricity cost is close to mining revenue. If in that scenario we get a massive bitcoin price crash, the network hashrate would likely follow as miners pull the plug. Just like we are now getting "too fast" transaction confirmations (ie, under 10 minutes) because we are so far above marginal profitability, we would be getting really slow confirmations until the difficulty has followed. Hardly dramatic, but it would be slightly annoying. Probably no where near as annoying as the crash itself though Smiley.
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December 19, 2013, 04:53:59 PM
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What is this plummeted you speak of?
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December 22, 2013, 01:41:19 AM
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Difficulty will continue to march up to 3 billion or so. Nothing is stopping that train.
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December 22, 2013, 01:53:22 AM
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I understand it is unlikely that the hashrate would drop suddenly, and i'm sure this has been asked before, but in the case that it did drop drastically and suddenly (for whatever reason), what would the bitcoin network do? I am unfamiliar with how it handles this situation. Does difficulty adjust downwards eventually, or does it just stay where it is?



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December 22, 2013, 01:57:10 AM
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I understand it is unlikely that the hashrate would drop suddenly, and i'm sure this has been asked before, but in the case that it did drop drastically and suddenly (for whatever reason), what would the bitcoin network do? I am unfamiliar with how it handles this situation. Does difficulty adjust downwards eventually, or does it just stay where it is?

It will adjust downwards. But the hash rate isn't going to drop.
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December 22, 2013, 03:11:16 AM
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I understand it is unlikely that the hashrate would drop suddenly, and i'm sure this has been asked before, but in the case that it did drop drastically and suddenly (for whatever reason), what would the bitcoin network do? I am unfamiliar with how it handles this situation. Does difficulty adjust downwards eventually, or does it just stay where it is?

It will adjust downwards. But the hash rate isn't going to drop.

The bitcoin network would also slow to a crawl. This exact same scenario of difficulty adjusting dramatically downward has already killed or severly weakened a number of alt coins.
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December 23, 2013, 04:34:57 AM
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difficulty better adjust downwards... just upped my hashing up 200GH/s.   Grin
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