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January 17, 2014, 02:43:12 AM
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1) mt gox collapsing because they are getting more and more complaints from people who have not received their withdrawals as far back as november possibly even earlier if anyone would like to confirm or add
2) the feds selling/auctioning the bitcoins. Will it go to charity? will they give it to the bankers/govt for cheap? if they do then they will remain in power regardless if btc goes to 10k, 100k and up
3) china to an extent but doesn't really worry me because i see them buying btc's still through other means. basically the rich there if they want btc's enough, they will get it some how and some way regardless if it is illegal or not.

so yeah, basically #1 and #2 are my greatest concerns in the next few months.

other than that, yeah a lot of great news.

1) nba kings/warriors accepting bitcoin might create a domino effect in the sports industry meaning more teams/sports will accept bitcoin and also educate the sports people into looking into bitcoin = more users
2) porn accept bitcoins and reporting +50% increased revenue since a lot of people now can buy into their sick fetishes without disclosing their addresses or names
3) overstock
4) new players in circle with credible education/experience and connections like the chic whose on the board with walmart, she'd have the connect to help walmart accept bitcoins potentially
5) increasingly growing amount of users, wallets, businesses(coinmap.org), users on this forum, lots of indicators of solid growth and infrastructure being created
6) #31 richest in the world ka ching cha shing whatever investing millions into bitcoin infrastructure (possibly bitcoin itself on the down low)
7) coinbase's venture fund
Cool i can go on and on in good news but you get the idea

and for the grammar nazis, yeah i can type well with periods at the end of each sentence and a capitalized letter at the beginning of each sentence and know the difference between alot and a lot. im just too lazy to type it beautifully ok so dont get mad Tongue
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January 17, 2014, 02:46:18 AM
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What is a "hodler"?

Just asking.

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January 17, 2014, 02:47:26 AM
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What is a "hodler"?

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January 17, 2014, 02:56:34 AM
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1) gox has been "collapsing" since they opened, they are really good at hanging on by a string, and i think they will continue to do so.

2) this can have a temporary effect on price, but as a HODLER you shouldn't care about short term price swings

3) i agree with you

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January 17, 2014, 02:57:57 AM
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This made me more confident in hodling.

66  awesome quotes from Andreas

Very worth the read, I highly suggest it.

http://www.igotbitcoin.com/66-bitcoin-quotes-140-characters-less/#axzz2qcWG1jSy
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What Is Bitcoin?
1.

"Bitcoin is both a payment system and a currency."


2.

"Bitcoin is created electronically and exchanged between users without passing by a financial intermediary."


3.

"One of the main reasons for the growing popularity of Bitcoin among stores and consumers is that it reduces transaction costs."


4.

"Bitcoin is a novel solution to a long-standing computer-science prob. That’s what enables its transformational nature."


5.

"Bitcoin is a Network, not a Coin."


6.

"Bitcoin is a protocol, not a currency. Currency is just the first app."


7.

"Bitcoin is money without borders."


8.

"Bitcoin gives us the ability to transmit value globally, instantly, securely, and is far more valuable than email."


9.

"Bitcoin is an experiment in the separation of money and state. You’ll be surprised how many will support that."


10.

"Bitcoin is an invention that allows distributed consensus over a shared asset ledger without counter-party risk."


11.

"You do not need to spend $1000 to buy a whole bitcoin. You can easily purchase as little as $1 worth, or one milli-bitcoin. Not expensive"


12.

"Bitcoin will have a successor but only after fiat has been long gone and buried."


13.

"Why would anyone trust nerd money vs. central bank money? Nerds brought you the Internet. Banks brought you the Great Depression."


14.

"People who say that bitcoin is not or cannot become a “valid currency” are ignoring the simple, demonstrable fact that it already is."


15.

"The most interesting disruption comes when a problem is not solved but rather made irrelevant. If Bitcoin works it could do that to payments"


16.

"Bitcoin won’t “destroy” banks. Like the Internet did with telcos and media, It will simply make banks less relevant and less powerful"


17.

"Bitcoin is just a testing ground for something else: The digitization of ‘hard’ currency like dollars."


18.

"There are thousands of pages written about bitcoin. None of them spell it BitCoin. Therefore you have read none of them if you spell it thus"


19.

"Bitcoin allows the free market of ideas being flooded with innovation without the need to ask for permission"


20.

"Banks warn of dangers of bitcoin because people already know of the dangers of banks and are looking for choices."


21.

"The bitcoin community may be a bunch of weirdo geeks to the media in general, but to me, it is MY bunch of weirdos"


22.

"If you want to understand Bitcoin, read the original paper instead of other people’s interpretations of it http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf"


23.

"Bitcoin is not “unregulated”. It is regulated by algorithm instead of being regulated by government bureaucracies. Un-corrupted."


24.

"You are guaranteed to lose your bitcoin investment if you sell at the bottom of a dip. If you hold, you have a chance for recovery."



25.

"In the last 3 months, the pace of development by bitcoin tech companies has increased at least 10x. Hundreds of developers joining per month."


26.

"Unless something breaks in the bitcoin code that can’t be fixed the fundamentals are no different at $1000 than they were at $1."


27.

"On open networks, like the Internet, innovation occurs at the edge without permission. Bitcoin does that with online financial innovation."


28.

"Bitcoin’s top innovations are concentrated in the protocol layers above bitcoin, allowing other “apps” and currencies to run on it"


29.

"The Internet of Money, bitcoin, is releasing 50 yrs. of pent up innovation in finance, because it offers innovation without permission."


30.

"In many countries around the world, if a government bans bitcoin it will instantly be more credible as an alternative choice."


31.

"Do you want bitcoin to succeed? Tell two or three people about it, every day, help them get $10 each. Adoption is only thing that matters."


32.

"Bitcoin will survive the banking regulators and oppressive governments. The converse however is unlikely."
:


33.

"Almost all the risks to bitcoin are now internal. The external risks now only affect the price, not the survival of bitcoin."


34.

"Bitcoin is a company, like trigonometry is. It’s a scientific invention, now part of our culture, unstoppable."


35.

"If bitcoin survives, without major good news or major bug, just steady adoption, we’re somewhere between 10k and 100k."


36.

"Price is a leading indicator for media attention of Bitcoin and eventual adoption by users."


37.

"The vast majority of western societies has no clue what bitcoin is, yet. As they discover it and adopt it, we will keep growing."


38.

"Mining provides security for the Bitcoin network, at much lower cost per transaction than other payment networks."


39.

"The Internet at first was controversial, geeky and very strongly resisted by governments and telcos. Repeating history with bitcoin"


40.

"Countries rejecting bitcoin reminds me of the time when countries were resisting the Internet."


41.

"Don’t let the price of bitcoin distract you from the network/protocol."


42.

"Most people are yet to understand how disruptive the Bitcoin technology really is."


43.

"First you’re curious and jealous of people having it, then you have it, and then you want more. Bitcoin is just like sex."


44.

"The Internet giveth us bitcoin, but bitcoin will make the Internet 100x more valuable in the next 5 years."


45.

"I can spend hours trying to explain Skype to someone, or they can video their mom and see her smile. Don’t try to learn bitcoin, USE it."


46.

"Bitcoin’s success is owed to creativity and innovation. It has nothing to do with the government’s endorsement"


47.

"The bitcoin price only follows adoption and purchasing power. We are still in the very very beginning."


48.

"Those who make the mistake of thinking bitcoin is expensive today are going to miss two orders of magnitude in next year."


49.

"Because bitcoin is a protocol for transmitting value. It will be bigger than Internet and will accelerate Internet."


50.

"Bitcoin is way to geeky to ever work for mainstream use. Just like the Internet was in 1991. Oh, wait."


51.

"Bitcoin scales from nano-payments to giga-payments on a single network."


52.

"Bitcoin is global, decentralized and unstoppable. Let govt try, it will be hilarious to watch."


53.

"If you want to read something intelligent about bitcoin, read the source code."


54.

"In 2 years people will be shocked they didn’t see the 1,001 uses for Bitcoin back when it was experimental. Tipping apps, P2P, everything."


55.

"The identity of bitcoin’s creator is entirely irrelevant. The invention and new science stands independently without influence"


56.

"Keep focused on the narrative which will become bitcoin’s destiny: It is not a currency, it is an invention, a protocol, a technology."


57.

"Napster paved the way for BitTorrent, iTunes and Spotify; Bitcoin will do same for digital money"


58.

"Eventually, banks will embrace bitcoin, just like telcos found a way to make money on Internet."


59.

"The first years on the Internet, we got access DESPITE telecom companies, not through them. Now, bitcoin works despite banks, not with them"


60.

"Credit cards are a “pull” model: You surrender the keys to your money, and they pull money from you. Bitcoin is a push model; more secure."


61.

"The last consumer focused innovation in financial services was credit cards, in the 1950s. There is no industry more ripe for disruption."


62.

"The thing about bitcoin being a Ponzi Scheme is that there is no Ponzi and there is no scheme."


63.

"Bitcoin doesn’t just disrupt money. It also disrupts the models of modern corporations, macro-economics, nation-states and the Internet"


64.

"Bitcoin’s distributed asset ledger is the most important Computer Science invention of the century."


65.

"Bitcoin’s success is owed to creativity and innovation. It has nothing to do with the government’s endorsement"


66.

"When the regulators come to regulate Bitcoin for your own good, your reply should be ‘Fuck Off!’"
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January 17, 2014, 03:04:30 AM
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1) mt gox collapsing because they are getting more and more complaints from people who have not received their withdrawals as far back as november possibly even earlier if anyone would like to confirm or add
2) the feds selling/auctioning the bitcoins. Will it go to charity? will they give it to the bankers/govt for cheap? if they do then they will remain in power regardless if btc goes to 10k, 100k and up
3) china to an extent but doesn't really worry me because i see them buying btc's still through other means. basically the rich there if they want btc's enough, they will get it some how and some way regardless if it is illegal or not.

1.  Mt.Gox is a lot like the weather.  Everyone complains, but nobody does anything about it.  At this point they are the third largest USD exchange, and fading.  If they disappear, there will be cheering, but no crash and no tears.

2.  The Feds will probably sell directly to SecondMarket.  There might be a small dip in price, mostly because people are afraid there might be one.

3.  China is a non-issue.  All that volume was day trading, not actual demand.  They only impacted the price because the media got the story wrong.  They may cause short-term rallies and crashes, but for China to have any long-term impact, there would have to be actual demand or usage for something other than day trading.

What we need is more stories like, Overstock.com sales increased because they started accepting bitcoins, Amazon starts accepting payment in bitcoins, or Argentina pegs the peso to the bitcoin.

Tips much appreciated! 1PPJHDawPvjh6MEzsvXrMYLgpLmyAaNXUc
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January 17, 2014, 03:14:07 AM
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What Is Bitcoin?
1.

"Bitcoin is both a payment system and a currency."


2.

"Bitcoin is created electronically and exchanged between users without passing by a financial intermediary."


3.

"One of the main reasons for the growing popularity of Bitcoin among stores and consumers is that it reduces transaction costs."


4.

"Bitcoin is a novel solution to a long-standing computer-science prob. That’s what enables its transformational nature."


5.

"Bitcoin is a Network, not a Coin."


6.

"Bitcoin is a protocol, not a currency. Currency is just the first app."


7.

"Bitcoin is money without borders."


8.

"Bitcoin gives us the ability to transmit value globally, instantly, securely, and is far more valuable than email."


9.

"Bitcoin is an experiment in the separation of money and state. You’ll be surprised how many will support that."


10.

"Bitcoin is an invention that allows distributed consensus over a shared asset ledger without counter-party risk."


11.

"You do not need to spend $1000 to buy a whole bitcoin. You can easily purchase as little as $1 worth, or one milli-bitcoin. Not expensive"


12.

"Bitcoin will have a successor but only after fiat has been long gone and buried."


13.

"Why would anyone trust nerd money vs. central bank money? Nerds brought you the Internet. Banks brought you the Great Depression."


14.

"People who say that bitcoin is not or cannot become a “valid currency” are ignoring the simple, demonstrable fact that it already is."


15.

"The most interesting disruption comes when a problem is not solved but rather made irrelevant. If Bitcoin works it could do that to payments"


16.

"Bitcoin won’t “destroy” banks. Like the Internet did with telcos and media, It will simply make banks less relevant and less powerful"


17.

"Bitcoin is just a testing ground for something else: The digitization of ‘hard’ currency like dollars."


18.

"There are thousands of pages written about bitcoin. None of them spell it BitCoin. Therefore you have read none of them if you spell it thus"


19.

"Bitcoin allows the free market of ideas being flooded with innovation without the need to ask for permission"


20.

"Banks warn of dangers of bitcoin because people already know of the dangers of banks and are looking for choices."


21.

"The bitcoin community may be a bunch of weirdo geeks to the media in general, but to me, it is MY bunch of weirdos"


22.

"If you want to understand Bitcoin, read the original paper instead of other people’s interpretations of it http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf"


23.

"Bitcoin is not “unregulated”. It is regulated by algorithm instead of being regulated by government bureaucracies. Un-corrupted."


24.

"You are guaranteed to lose your bitcoin investment if you sell at the bottom of a dip. If you hold, you have a chance for recovery."



25.

"In the last 3 months, the pace of development by bitcoin tech companies has increased at least 10x. Hundreds of developers joining per month."


26.

"Unless something breaks in the bitcoin code that can’t be fixed the fundamentals are no different at $1000 than they were at $1."


27.

"On open networks, like the Internet, innovation occurs at the edge without permission. Bitcoin does that with online financial innovation."


28.

"Bitcoin’s top innovations are concentrated in the protocol layers above bitcoin, allowing other “apps” and currencies to run on it"


29.

"The Internet of Money, bitcoin, is releasing 50 yrs. of pent up innovation in finance, because it offers innovation without permission."


30.

"In many countries around the world, if a government bans bitcoin it will instantly be more credible as an alternative choice."


31.

"Do you want bitcoin to succeed? Tell two or three people about it, every day, help them get $10 each. Adoption is only thing that matters."


32.

"Bitcoin will survive the banking regulators and oppressive governments. The converse however is unlikely."
:


33.

"Almost all the risks to bitcoin are now internal. The external risks now only affect the price, not the survival of bitcoin."


34.

"Bitcoin is a company, like trigonometry is. It’s a scientific invention, now part of our culture, unstoppable."


35.

"If bitcoin survives, without major good news or major bug, just steady adoption, we’re somewhere between 10k and 100k."


36.

"Price is a leading indicator for media attention of Bitcoin and eventual adoption by users."


37.

"The vast majority of western societies has no clue what bitcoin is, yet. As they discover it and adopt it, we will keep growing."


38.

"Mining provides security for the Bitcoin network, at much lower cost per transaction than other payment networks."


39.

"The Internet at first was controversial, geeky and very strongly resisted by governments and telcos. Repeating history with bitcoin"


40.

"Countries rejecting bitcoin reminds me of the time when countries were resisting the Internet."


41.

"Don’t let the price of bitcoin distract you from the network/protocol."


42.

"Most people are yet to understand how disruptive the Bitcoin technology really is."


43.

"First you’re curious and jealous of people having it, then you have it, and then you want more. Bitcoin is just like sex."


44.

"The Internet giveth us bitcoin, but bitcoin will make the Internet 100x more valuable in the next 5 years."


45.

"I can spend hours trying to explain Skype to someone, or they can video their mom and see her smile. Don’t try to learn bitcoin, USE it."


46.

"Bitcoin’s success is owed to creativity and innovation. It has nothing to do with the government’s endorsement"


47.

"The bitcoin price only follows adoption and purchasing power. We are still in the very very beginning."


48.

"Those who make the mistake of thinking bitcoin is expensive today are going to miss two orders of magnitude in next year."


49.

"Because bitcoin is a protocol for transmitting value. It will be bigger than Internet and will accelerate Internet."


50.

"Bitcoin is way to geeky to ever work for mainstream use. Just like the Internet was in 1991. Oh, wait."


51.

"Bitcoin scales from nano-payments to giga-payments on a single network."


52.

"Bitcoin is global, decentralized and unstoppable. Let govt try, it will be hilarious to watch."


53.

"If you want to read something intelligent about bitcoin, read the source code."


54.

"In 2 years people will be shocked they didn’t see the 1,001 uses for Bitcoin back when it was experimental. Tipping apps, P2P, everything."


55.

"The identity of bitcoin’s creator is entirely irrelevant. The invention and new science stands independently without influence"


56.

"Keep focused on the narrative which will become bitcoin’s destiny: It is not a currency, it is an invention, a protocol, a technology."


57.

"Napster paved the way for BitTorrent, iTunes and Spotify; Bitcoin will do same for digital money"


58.

"Eventually, banks will embrace bitcoin, just like telcos found a way to make money on Internet."


59.

"The first years on the Internet, we got access DESPITE telecom companies, not through them. Now, bitcoin works despite banks, not with them"


60.

"Credit cards are a “pull” model: You surrender the keys to your money, and they pull money from you. Bitcoin is a push model; more secure."


61.

"The last consumer focused innovation in financial services was credit cards, in the 1950s. There is no industry more ripe for disruption."


62.

"The thing about bitcoin being a Ponzi Scheme is that there is no Ponzi and there is no scheme."


63.

"Bitcoin doesn’t just disrupt money. It also disrupts the models of modern corporations, macro-economics, nation-states and the Internet"


64.

"Bitcoin’s distributed asset ledger is the most important Computer Science invention of the century."


65.

"Bitcoin’s success is owed to creativity and innovation. It has nothing to do with the government’s endorsement"


66.

"When the regulators come to regulate Bitcoin for your own good, your reply should be ‘Fuck Off!’"



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January 17, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
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1) mt gox collapsing because they are getting more and more complaints from people who have not received their withdrawals as far back as november possibly even earlier if anyone would like to confirm or add


Stopped reading after this.  What rock have been living under?  Mt gox has been screwed since June 2013
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