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January 16, 2014, 01:47:17 AM
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would cost?
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January 16, 2014, 01:48:42 AM
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would cost?
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January 16, 2014, 01:56:12 AM
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Luckily the transaction fee isn't a set limit.

I would guess that it would be adjusted to where the total average number of transactions multiplied by x (transaction fee) / 10 minutes would equal at least half of the current block reward for that time.

There would be a very large volume of transactions at that price.

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January 16, 2014, 02:45:43 AM
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By right if more and more transactions , fees may go up.

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January 16, 2014, 02:50:31 AM
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How much they will cost ?... like what?

One transaction? there will be always free transactions space in each block. I doubt they will go over 30-50 cents for so called mandatory fee ones.

Overall transactions fees per day? It will depend on how many transactions per day will be made and god knows how many of those there will be.

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January 16, 2014, 04:16:26 AM
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I don't really see why the price being 100k would have any real effect on the transaction fee.  There are currently 8 decimal places in Bitcoin so the minimum transaction fee could be .00000001 which would be $0.001.  Not to mention they can add decimals.  What I'm saying is you can make it what ever you want.  The price doesn't make the mining work harder.
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January 16, 2014, 06:39:11 AM
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Currently the minimum suggested fees are kind of hard-coded. You currently can't sent transactions of less than about 5000 satoshies.

I think I the price really does go up, it will cost about 10µBTC (1000 satoshies) for the average transaction. At $100,000 per coin, that works out to about $1 per transaction. The fees would help pay for expensive network access full nodes need to maintain. Edit: miners get the fees, not normal nodes though.

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January 16, 2014, 07:02:19 AM
Last edit: January 16, 2014, 07:19:47 AM by franky1
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Luckily the transaction fee isn't a set limit.

I would guess that it would be adjusted to where the total average number of transactions multiplied by x (transaction fee) / 10 minutes would equal at least half of the current block reward for that time.

There would be a very large volume of transactions at that price.

where do you even get your maths from

currently transaction fee's work out at 5% of the block.. not 50%...

the way things should work is that miners get paid from the reward, EG if 1bitcoin is $100k then the reward alone would be:
12.5btc:$1.25mill to share
6.25=$625k to share

all for just 10 minutes work.
at the moment the reward is $25k-ish per 10 minutes work to share between workers. so as bitcoin increases in price the reward would still be more then enough.

doing transaction fee's to subsidise pay just makes miners not want to hold out for a better deal (increasing price by holding/causing demand increase). we should be in the mind set that if the reward is not enough, then miners would hoard coins for a better price.

if transaction fee's become expensive due to being used as a subsidy, people wont want to use bitcoin. and the price would fall. causing miners to rely on transaction fee's more, causing even more people to not want bitcoin.

i think abolishing transaction fee's until the reward is something like 1.5625btc per 10 minutes. and then still have a 5% cap of total costs. this would incentivise miners not to just sell out at any old price that comes along, but to hoard until the best price comes along.

think about it. if gold miners sold their gold for $10 an ounce, and then were subsidised by government tax, where every trade of gold had a 50% tax on it. would you think gold would remain at its current price and would people want to trade it?..

.. no people would far prefer no taxation on their transactions and allow the gold miners to sell their gold at true cost/value prices. thus keeping the gold price honest and of true value

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January 16, 2014, 04:27:29 PM
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Luckily the transaction fee isn't a set limit.

I would guess that it would be adjusted to where the total average number of transactions multiplied by x (transaction fee) / 10 minutes would equal at least half of the current block reward for that time.

There would be a very large volume of transactions at that price.

where do you even get your maths from

currently transaction fee's work out at 5% of the block.. not 50%...

the way things should work is that miners get paid from the reward, EG if 1bitcoin is $100k then the reward alone would be:
12.5btc:$1.25mill to share
6.25=$625k to share

all for just 10 minutes work.
at the moment the reward is $25k-ish per 10 minutes work to share between workers. so as bitcoin increases in price the reward would still be more then enough.

doing transaction fee's to subsidise pay just makes miners not want to hold out for a better deal (increasing price by holding/causing demand increase). we should be in the mind set that if the reward is not enough, then miners would hoard coins for a better price.

if transaction fee's become expensive due to being used as a subsidy, people wont want to use bitcoin. and the price would fall. causing miners to rely on transaction fee's more, causing even more people to not want bitcoin.

i think abolishing transaction fee's until the reward is something like 1.5625btc per 10 minutes. and then still have a 5% cap of total costs. this would incentivise miners not to just sell out at any old price that comes along, but to hoard until the best price comes along.

think about it. if gold miners sold their gold for $10 an ounce, and then were subsidised by government tax, where every trade of gold had a 50% tax on it. would you think gold would remain at its current price and would people want to trade it?..

.. no people would far prefer no taxation on their transactions and allow the gold miners to sell their gold at true cost/value prices. thus keeping the gold price honest and of true value

I was thinking in the future when the block reward is small enough that it discourages mining... I assume there will always need to be a financial incentive to keep the network strong enough to resist attack and that reward will need to be pretty sizable to be spread across such a large network.

I assume the reward % will need to increase relatively to the block reward as the block reward itself is halved.

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