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February 04, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
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I gave the example of someone I made an enthusiast of crypto and didn't have access to the IPO, and after you say it was fair and known by everyone. Do you really want me to take you seriously?

You say that it is unfair because somebody who didn't heard of it  didn't have the chance to participate Cheesy(when it was public and ANYONE could join?!!?) Maybe @BCnext should have gone to the North pole to ask people if they want to join Nxt Cheesy:D:D

Try harder and think of something that makes sense, like ... hm dunno Cheesy At least try a lie or some other black PR trick.

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February 04, 2014, 10:11:51 PM
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So is the only argument for Nxt being successful vs. other 100% PoS coins with a more distributed IPO, simply that because of its head start on infrastructure? I would really only buy more Nxt if someone can convince me that Nxt will always be the leading PoS coin...

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February 04, 2014, 11:00:02 PM
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So is the only argument for Nxt being successful vs. other 100% PoS coins with a more distributed IPO, simply that because of its head start on infrastructure? I would really only buy more Nxt if someone can convince me that Nxt will always be the leading PoS coin...
Don't read trolls, read this --> http://bitcoinmagazine.com/9826/nxt-proof-stake-new-alternative-altcoin/ and then try the decentralised asset exchange in the testnet (it will be realeased soon anyways) and then decide or red more Wink

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February 04, 2014, 11:57:57 PM
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The shills are pumping in full force tonight  Grin I see they need Cryptsy to dump their shitcoin in volume.

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February 05, 2014, 12:08:53 AM
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The shills are pumping in full force tonight  Grin I see they need Cryptsy to dump their shitcoin in volume.

You're the one bumping that Cryptsy topic. Noone else cares. Go check out the main NXT thread, 99% of the discussion isn't on price/exchanges like almost every other crapcoin on here, but actual development.

Cryptsy already expressed interest in adding it anyway, it's getting on there but will take more time since the API is completely different.

Keep on trolling.
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February 05, 2014, 12:09:52 AM
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There's a lot of discussion on this thread about nxt arguing both for and against it but yet no one is really explaining its technical merits about what makes it so special and innovative.

Now from reading around, it sounds to me that "transparent forging" algorithm is what makes Nxt different from the other PoS offerings out there. My question is, how exactly does this algorithm work? I can't find any resource or reference out there that describes it in a transparent understandable way.

Has the Java source been code reviewed and vetted by the community? Any threads, either in this forum or elsewhere, that has done some critical intense scrutiny of the code? If so where?
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February 05, 2014, 12:09:57 AM
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The shills are pumping in full force tonight  Grin I see they need Cryptsy to dump their shitcoin in volume.

That is exactly what this coin needs since the only complaint is that it is not fairly distributed. People need to dump it so other can join in for cheaper and redistribute the wealth. If you think it's too expensive don't buy it, the price will adjust to a fairer value and the coin will become more distributed as people 'dump this shitcoin' as you say.
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February 05, 2014, 12:19:18 AM
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There's a lot of discussion on this thread about nxt arguing both for and against it but yet no one is really explaining it's technical merits about what means it so special and innovative.

Now from reading around, it sounds to me that "transparent forging" algorithm is what makes Nxt different from the other PoS offerings out there. My question is, how exactly does this algorithm work? I can't find any resource or reference out there that describes it in an understandable way.

Has the Java source been code reviewed and vetted by the community? Any threads, either in this forum or elsewhere, that has done some critical intense scrutiny of the code? If so where?

I recommend reading this thread for more details on transparent forging: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=364218.0

Code flaw discussion can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397183.0
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February 06, 2014, 02:51:39 AM
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Nxt IPO was 61 days long

Anyone could send 1-1000$ during that time. 10.000 could send 1$, for example.

Who sent 1000$, had to wait up to 70 days to get his coins. His 1000$ were stucked in 61 days long IPO from more than 2 months. In a project where he had no proof of success.
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February 06, 2014, 03:50:32 AM
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I doubt you'll find much love for NXT here.

The real scammers are the people mining coins. Bitcoin creates a $Billion a year in new coins that go to
Miners with the most expensive rigs instead of back to the users.

Miners sucking all that money out of the economy and all you get is centralised mining pools controlled by the city of London at the end of it.

Nxt pays fees back to the users, and the fees are small, you'll probably only earn like 0.05% a year on your NXT so the people with lots of NXT would make boatloads more in a bank account than fees they earn from NXT.

As for IPO? How well was Bitcoin distributed in the beginning? For the first two years Satoshi controlled obscene % of Bitcoin.

+-70 founders is more than most new companies I can think off.

And at least now there's NO inflation, unlike the 10% in Bitcoin that goes to multi-millionaire miners, almost worse than fiat.

Plus NXT does everything better and faster than Bitcoin.
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February 06, 2014, 04:12:17 AM
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I doubt you'll find much love for NXT here.

The real scammers are the people mining coins. Bitcoin creates a $Billion a year in new coins that go to
Miners with the most expensive rigs instead of back to the users.

Miners sucking all that money out of the economy and all you get is centralised mining pools controlled by the city of London at the end of it.

Nxt pays fees back to the users, and the fees are small, you'll probably only earn like 0.05% a year on your NXT so the people with lots of NXT would make boatloads more in a bank account than fees they earn from NXT.

As for IPO? How well was Bitcoin distributed in the beginning? For the first two years Satoshi controlled obscene % of Bitcoin.

+-70 founders is more than most new companies I can think off.

And at least now there's NO inflation, unlike the 10% in Bitcoin that goes to multi-millionaire miners, almost worse than fiat.

Plus NXT does everything better and faster than Bitcoin.

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February 06, 2014, 10:55:54 PM
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Right. I bought only at dgex but iI think that I have not been betrayed by this hard working Group of developers.



 
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February 09, 2014, 06:45:20 AM
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The advantages in NXT that I see:

1: Potential for extremely high transaction volumes
2: Forging secures the network at a fee rate that gives no real or practical advantage to hording by forgers (as far as monetary increase in NXT).  By this I mean spending nxt will likely cost as many fees as I make in return, thus fees secure the network but end up back in my pocket as I secure it too.
3: No inflation, or devaluation, artificial or otherwise, at all, due to the 100% PoS nature.
4: Distribution BETTER in one month than bitcoin in four years.  (Please look at facts before you try to argue against this)
5: It's green. (Personally, this translates as portable, versatile, sustainable, and scaleable to me.  Environmentally, I don't care too deeply one way or another.)

The possible cons that people are arguing, and the reasons why I find them invalid or not enough to match up to the pros:

1: Closed-source: officially the source is not released, but decompiling classfiles in java is as easy as pointing and clicking a couple times.  The devs even made it decompile legibly.  But yes officially it is closed source so far.
2: Small time forgers get shafted by probabilities: mathematically the variance of 1,000 1,000NXT account versus a 1,000,000 NXT account is comparable to a 1TH miner vs 1000 1GH miner, so yes as time goes to infinity, the 1,000NXT account will do better, but the difference in each 1,000NXT account is still largely luck, and the end state probabilities are still only off by less than 1%, which is comparable to BTC variance over a year in practice. (I am asserting this number based off my own calculations and observations of others calculations.  Correct me if I am wrong.)
3: The developers can't code java: If you are basing this off the modified 0.4.7e code from the flaw finding thread, yes it is a bit crazy to wade through, but that file was made a bit obscure from the getgo for a good reason, more recent code has been refactored and takes in a great deal of effort found in the flaw finding thread.  But alas, that code was quite the long read.
4: How do we know NXT will be the biggest POS-coin out there?  Sure, we don't know this, but BTC is still the most widely used and valued, and it came first.  LTC is the highest after that, and it was the first to innovate a different way to mine that was (more) arms race proof, and PPC has a pretty sturdy value as the first partly PoS coin.
5: the devs could be stealing all your money, installing malware, etc, so, it's a scam: Again, there are a number of competent developers in the community perusing the decompiled code, and there is nothing that even remotely looks fishy pointed out yet, after thousands of man hours of code perusal, the likelyhood of this is shrinking infintesimally by the day.

Sure I'm not covering all bases here, but these five seem to come up a lot, and it annoys me that people aren't doing any research to support the claims.

I'm willing to bet that NXT will remain top in value and usage among 100% PoS coins because it was first to largely redo the structure of PoS in a 100% PoS coin.  Is it a gamble?  Yes.  But what cryptocoin isn't?  Will NXT be the perfect coin to end all coins?  No.  Something new and innovative may follow it, but I foresee it gaining much more traction in the coming months, and cementing it's position as the next cryptocoin milestone.  I don't believe any clone of NXT could do much better than NXT has, but if you think so, point it out, and maybe the devs will even include it themselves.  It is still evolving daily, and has a lot of potential.

tl;dr: Innovative things typically succeed over their clones, and NXT innovated.  There are pros and cons, most cons posted around here don't seem well thought through.

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February 09, 2014, 07:42:32 AM
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Next coin is a pre-mined scam. Don't need to know anything else.


 
 
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February 09, 2014, 01:04:00 PM
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When is the source getting released?
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February 09, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
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Next coin is a pre-mined scam. Don't need to know anything else.


I looked through your last 50 posts cause I just couldn't understand the thinking of somone who has made as many posts as you have such an ignorant viewpoint.


I noticed your a big believer in Dogecoin. I was going to ask you to justify your views on NXT......now I won't bother.   Grin

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February 11, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
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Next coin is a pre-mined scam. Don't need to know anything else.

This only proves that you don't understand proof of stake.  Yes, all coins already exist, it's different for a reason.  Nxt is intended to NOT be a mined coin.  Does no one here actually care about making cryptos that serve the intended purpose of long-lasting decentralized currency?  Is everyone here just trying to eek a buck out of a Radeon?

Oh, God.  I think they are.  When did this community stray so far from the path?  Or am I the one that has fallen from the path?

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