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February 11, 2014, 04:03:17 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Here is the kick though: How would any government know who owns BTC? Sure, they can look at the block chain, but that only shows a series of encrypted keys, and no names.

You think the exchanges will ban any users registered in Russia? What will happen when other countries follow?

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February 11, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
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They can not.
And this is the best part.

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February 11, 2014, 04:33:12 PM
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Its really not a big deal. Russia is also trying to ban the US dollar: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/bill-would-outlaw-us-dollar-russia/

It just means you aren't going to see store front retail stores accepting bitcoin in Russia. Private users will be unaffected.

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February 11, 2014, 04:40:21 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.

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February 11, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
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They can not.
And this is the best part.
I am wondering what the exchanges would do. Like btc-e -> registered in Russia.

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February 11, 2014, 04:46:44 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/9/5395050/russia-bans-bitcoin
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02/07/russia-bans-bitcoin/

Exact quotes from the press release:

“Bitcoin is a money substitute and cannot be used by citizens and legal entities,”

"The official currency of the Russian Federation is the ruble. Introduction of other monetary units and money substitutes is prohibited,"

Russia's official stance is, any currency other than the ruble is considered illegal for use in Russia. So banning Bitcoin is not really news. If anything its positive. It means they recognize it as a currency  Grin

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February 11, 2014, 04:46:51 PM
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Its really not a big deal. Russia is also trying to ban the US dollar: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/bill-would-outlaw-us-dollar-russia/

It just means you aren't going to see store front retail stores accepting bitcoin in Russia. Private users will be unaffected.

Right, but a substantial value in bitcoin is merchant adoption. This will cause a huge bottleneck, and it would suck to see other countries follow China and Russia.

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February 11, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.
Here is an official statement by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation: http://cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm

Use chrome to auto translate.

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February 11, 2014, 04:50:28 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/9/5395050/russia-bans-bitcoin
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02/07/russia-bans-bitcoin/

Exact quotes from the press release:

“Bitcoin is a money substitute and cannot be used by citizens and legal entities,”

"The official currency of the Russian Federation is the ruble. Introduction of other monetary units and money substitutes is prohibited,"

Russia's official stance is, any currency other than the ruble is considered illegal for use in Russia. So banning Bitcoin is not really news. If anything its positive. It means they recognize it as a currency  Grin

don't know about "positive"

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February 11, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/9/5395050/russia-bans-bitcoin
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02/07/russia-bans-bitcoin/

Exact quotes from the press release:

“Bitcoin is a money substitute and cannot be used by citizens and legal entities,”

"The official currency of the Russian Federation is the ruble. Introduction of other monetary units and money substitutes is prohibited,"

Russia's official stance is, any currency other than the ruble is considered illegal for use in Russia. So banning Bitcoin is not really news. If anything its positive. It means they recognize it as a currency  Grin

don't know about "positive"

Bitcoin was always going to be banned in places like Russia. It challenges their currency and their entire monetary system. If bitcoin is big enough to warrant this attention it means they fear it. It means bitcoin is working.

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February 11, 2014, 04:56:17 PM
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If you own BTC in Russia, you are a criminal.

Can you refer to some law, that prohibits that? Thanks.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/9/5395050/russia-bans-bitcoin
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02/07/russia-bans-bitcoin/

Exact quotes from the press release:

“Bitcoin is a money substitute and cannot be used by citizens and legal entities,”

"The official currency of the Russian Federation is the ruble. Introduction of other monetary units and money substitutes is prohibited,"

Russia's official stance is, any currency other than the ruble is considered illegal for use in Russia. So banning Bitcoin is not really news. If anything its positive. It means they recognize it as a currency  Grin

don't know about "positive"

Bitcoin was always going to be banned in places like Russia. It challenges their currency and their entire monetary system. If bitcoin is big enough to warrant this attention it means they fear it. It means bitcoin is working.
I don't know. I agree that bitcoin has heavy media attention at the moment, which is great. And I would agree to an extent if countries at the scale of russia, acknowledge bitcoin and take a stance on it. Like what the US did. But banning it? That's bad news. That eliminates the potential of critical mass adopting the coin - "oh, the illegal coin"

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February 11, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
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Here is an official statement by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation: http://cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm

Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcbr.ru%2Fpress%2FPR.aspx%3Ffile%3D27012014_1825052.htm

If the translation is correct it states that use and exchange is somewhat prohibited. But owning?


Also I found this: http://genproc.gov.ru/smi/news/genproc/news-86432/
Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgenproc.gov.ru%2Fsmi%2Fnews%2Fgenproc%2Fnews-86432%2F&sandbox=1

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In accordance with Art. 27 of the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation", "the official currency (currency) of the Russian Federation is the ruble. Introduction on the territory of Russia and other monetary units issue money substitutes is prohibited. ".

As I understand this, it would apply to the Euro and Dollar as well. Is owning Dollars or Euros in Russia illegal? Also it says on the "territory of Russia", so using and owning Bitcoins abroad seems not impacted by that definition.

Do you have a link to article 27 of the Federal Law?




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February 14, 2014, 10:43:22 PM
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The more governments try to drive it underground, the more it starts to have boot leg value in those countries. Given the mechanisms are there for those citizens to hold BTC with impunity, they WILL hedge against their own inflation riddled currencies and find a way to buy. Meanwhile, here in the civilized world, we only need one or two countries to formally accept it (Germany already has, US seems likely to) for it's future to as certain as anything can be in this life.

The comparison with old soviet countries and black market dollars is apt.
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