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September 26, 2018, 09:35:02 PM
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Are you kidding me. The Goldman Sachs incorrect news came out on Sept 5th, and shortly afterward that same day the price dropped $900, and you think that is a coincidence?? haha OK Roll Eyes
I am not kidding you, and did I say it was coincidence? You don't seem to be capable of correctly understanding the context of people's posts I have noticed, which is your fault entirely.

As I said, it was a calculated dump. It was bound to happen anyway, but they may have chosen to use that news as trigger to make it not completely look like pure manipulation, because that's how smart money works.

If the price tanked with $1000 just because of this news, the price would somewhat recover directly after Goldman Sachs CFO having called it fake news. It didn't recover and thus it's not the main cause of the drop.

So instead of accepting the obvious reason for the dump you make up that it was a calculated dump of which you have no proof, that just by coincidence took place immediately when the news hit....riiiiight.

And the fact that you think the news being discovered as false proves that it wasn't the news that made the drop shows that you don't understand the market well at all. The news that they were cancelling or delaying their trading desk was far bigger than a correction later on that said nevermind. News stating an sudden and unexpected shift in potential interest of new money will always have a much bigger impact than a simple retraction later on. The damage is always done with the initial hit. I'm pretty sure I already explained that in my last post, but I guess you are hell bent on inventing this "calculated dump" that just happened to occur exactly when the news hit.
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September 26, 2018, 09:55:02 PM
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It doesn't matter if this is fake news or real news.Why do forum members care about Goldman Sachs?
Some naive people here still think that Goldman sachs is about to pump the bitcoin price(or any altcoin price).
This is totally wrong.GS is going to exploit the cryptomarkets,take the profits and participate in the future crypto destruction.  Angry

Well the general idea is that when big money wall street rolls into town Bitcoin will skyrocket. Goldman Sachs opening a trading desk is one of the first examples of wall street getting into the market. Sure Wall St entering crypto does nothing for cryptocurrency itself in terms of usage, but for investors which, lets face it, is the reason why Bitcoin is popular so far, Wall St big money coming in means we get rich. Sure they will exploit it to make money, but they have to buy in first. A trading desk means their clients get access to Bitcoin through a company they are familiar with. It simply just means new money will come into Bitcoin which obviously will have a positive effect on price.

the question is do you honestly think that the "big money wall street whatever..." is waiting for Goldman Sachs, SEC, etc to come in bitcoin and has not done it yet? I don't think so.
besides I do believe that this "big money" that you are talking about which would be belonging to wall street guys is only aiming for making profit and making profit does not require price rise. it can actually be a huge drop while they short bitcoin, use Futures, ... to make a lot more profit and do it in a safe way away from exchanges!
so I wouldn't be so happy about them entering the market if I were you


Yes absolutely I honestly think big money has not come in, because the amount of money that is currently in Bitcoin is absolutely nothing compared to what the big money can throw around, so they can't possibly be in Bitcoin to any significant degree. Do I think a small amount of Wall St firms have put a tiny amount of their money in, yes, though that was more likely towards the end of last year which helped with the run-up. If any significant amount of big money was in Bitcoin right now we'd know it because we'd be hitting ATHs now. I don't think you understand how much money they have to throw around, the entire crypto market right now at $200B is nothing compared to the type of money Wall St big money could collectively throw around if they were in the game in any meaningful way. Manipulating the price around by a few hundred dollars or a thousand dollars can be done by a single very wealthy person or a small fund. Trust me, big Wall St money hasn't even dipped their toes in yet, when they do you'll know.

And I'm not sure why you are talking about Futures. I'm talking about them actually getting into crypto. Futures are not "getting into crypto/Bitcoin" so that's not even part of the conversation. We're talking about trading desks and ETFs, etc that actually deal with Bitcoin, not financial products that are bets on Bitcoin's price and have nothing to do with the actual Bitcoin. Some investment firms are talking about futures only stuff right now, but some are talking about actual Bitcoin. Goldman Sachs is talking about actual Bitcoin, which is why a lot of the work they are doing now is building custody solutions for storing the Bitcoin their clients buy through their trading desk. Essentially they are working on their own Coinbase to service their clients with.
And yes the price has to go up because they have to buy in in the first place.

And no big money is not waiting for Goldman Sachs to enter Bitcoin. Not sure why you would even bring that up. Goldman Sachs is simply the first major Wall St firm to say they are building actual Bitcoin trading services for their clients. No one is waiting for them, they simply represent the head of the pack right now at least in terms of "big money" Wall St players that have publicized that they are indeed working on full service crypto (not futures) investment solutions.
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September 28, 2018, 11:43:19 PM
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Just today saw that the news from a couple weeks ago of Goldman Sachs delaying their crypto trading desk was incorrect! Granted I'm a bit late to the party but that is very good news that they are still going ahead with it! I bet someone just wanted to buy the dip, and it did indeed dip, crashed like $1000 off that news! I'm looking forward to in a few years when the market is many times larger and you can't just cause a serious correction with a single piece of incorrect news.

This is how news can affect prices and market emotions completely irrationally.

People take headlines at face value and sometimes, these aren't even legit as this case shows. But nonetheless such news seem to inject fear into the market to the point where prices essentially tanked 10+% during the period at which the news of this was released.

I'd say that markets have already matured to the point where news coverage no longer affects it as much as it used to (just look back to when China banned exchanges and ICOs, and its effects on BTC prices), but I mean, dips like this are going to continue to happen in a bear market when people are essentially seeking reasons to dump more coins.

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