SebastianJu accepts transaction buying/selling bitcointalk accounts

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Dude...  You are obsessed with trying to get my attention.  Look at how much time you've spent over the last week mentioning me.  Get a life.  Please.

Don't take it too personally.  He tries to get the attention of DT members in general in his warped quest to approach TradeFortress in the negative feedback area.

I seen somewhere people got tagged for selling accounts, then why these guys doesn't get the same tag?

Because DT members generally are willing to draw the line somewhere.  Even if account selling itself is a shady activity, escrowing those deals is simply keeping both parties safe from scamming.  You might not agree with that, but this "if X was tagged, why wasn't Y tagged?" argument is tiresome and smacks of sour grapes.  Usually the people who say those things are people who don't tag account sellers or scammers and are whining because they (or an alt account) got tagged for some sketchy activity.

By the way, the question of why escrows for account sales aren't getting tagged has been answered at least once already.  There's no need to keep asking it.

[minifrij]

It is ridiculous to claim any kind of authority to regulate what people can and cannot do. Especially when you are in absolutely no way elected, and in no way accountable for your decisions. People who regulate others' actions who are neither elected nor accountable are generally described as "dictators".

Due to the nature of the trust system here, I don't think that comparing it in any way to a traditional election/dictatorship is valid.

If you were to hack my account, and it was not possible to sell my account, you could scam someone with my account, which IMO is worse than you selling my account because if you sold my account, I could argue to the buyer their lack of a signed message is an indication they did not do proper due diligence and they were scammed by someone else, however if you were scamming from my account directly that argument would not work.

There being multiple ways to scam with an account doesn't invalidate that account selling opens up another method to do so. I'm not entirely sure what the argument is here.

[qwk]

There are not any *actual* victims of people selling forum accounts.

Yes, there are.
The existence of a market for accounts makes "hacking" accounts profitable.
Therefore, a certain percentage of the people whose accounts have been "hacked" are victims of people selling forum accounts.

I don’t think selling accounts makes hacking accounts profitable. If you were to hack my account, and it was not possible to sell my account, you could scam someone with my account

Your argument seems to be "there are other ways to make money from a hacked account, not only selling it".
I can agree to that, but it doesn't really counter my point.
That's basically the same as saying "there are other ways to make money from shooting people, not only contract killing"...

[digaran]

Bump, we have an unsolved issue here, people like SebastianJu should not be trusted.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Bump, we have an unsolved issue here, people like SebastianJu should not be trusted.

I doubt bumping this thread is going to change anything. If you really want them to be removed from the DT, you should message people who added them to the list. The topic, however, is highly subjective and doesn't qualify for an obvious case that deserves an instant negative feedback.

[digaran]

I only take bitcointalk forum accounts into escrow whose risked amount are at least $50 per account. Otherwise the risk i can help avoiding and the amount of time i have to implement are in no sane proportion.

Read the date on the quote above, it says 2015, how many deals do you think they have made since? could it be that they have been on selling accounts business and said that they were only the escrow for the deals?

If you really want them to be removed from the DT, you should message people who added them to the list. The topic, however, is highly subjective and doesn't qualify for an obvious case that deserves an instant negative feedback.

I want them to stop escrow for account sale deals, they have been doing it since 2015 and their DT1 sponsor is a trust abuser and bully who'd tag anybody speaking against them.
For 3 years they have helped spammers and scammers to trade accounts with no problem, would it be OK if I start doing the same? I want to know that if I could escrow for account traders just to receive my fee and earn money while people get scammed and this forum get spammed?

[minifrij]

would it be OK if I start doing the same? I want to know that if I could escrow for account traders just to receive my fee and earn money while people get scammed and this forum get spammed?

Could you escrow account sales? No, you're an idiot.
Could someone else escrow account sales? Yeah probably, if they really want to.

[whywefight]

You can't tag him even if you have proper justification without receiving unjust retaliation (not OgNasty, Seb. himself). Therefore, I highly doubt that anyone will act on this regardless of where they stand on escrowing forum accounts.

I would.

There's just one tiny problem, why I won't:
I simply don't see anything wrong with escrowing a deal that is perfectly legal and even accepted under the rules of this forum.

If I negged that, where should I stop?
Could I also neg the escrows of any kind of deal I personally don't like?

I don't like selling Altcoins, ICOs, drugs, porn (because I consider it a human right to get that for free!), and probably a lot of other things.
But who am I to force my opinion on others?

I really loathe account sales.
But I will never judge anyone for escrowing them.

best and only useful post in this thread.

[naturerock]

AT least people have a safe avenue to trade with his escrow service.  It's a better option than people being scamme.  He's not selling accounts himself, he is just a middleman.

[wizcoin]

I really loathe account sales.
But I will never judge anyone for escrowing them.

Then anyone can do an escrow with account sales without tagging them?

[Quickseller]

There are not any *actual* victims of people selling forum accounts.

Yes, there are.
The existence of a market for accounts makes "hacking" accounts profitable.
Therefore, a certain percentage of the people whose accounts have been "hacked" are victims of people selling forum accounts.

I don’t think selling accounts makes hacking accounts profitable. If you were to hack my account, and it was not possible to sell my account, you could scam someone with my account

Your argument seems to be "there are other ways to make money from a hacked account, not only selling it".
I can agree to that, but it doesn't really counter my point.
That's basically the same as saying "there are other ways to make money from shooting people, not only contract killing"...

I disagree. I view your argument to be that the sale of accounts makes hacking accounts profitable, and is therefore the reason accounts are hacked. My counter is that hacking of accounts would still be profitable if the sale of accounts was somehow prohibited. 

The existence of a market for accounts makes "hacking" accounts profitable.

There are other ways to profit from hacking an account other than to sell it.