My thoughts on the OgNasty's self scratching thread.

[philipma1957]

That thread is now locked.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297495.0

I would have preferred to have posted in that thread.

I now have a new trust settings list.

theymos
buysolar

my prior list was this:

theymos
OgNasty
-ck
buysolar
TookDk
sidehack
Biffa
suchmoon
DaveF
HerbPean
HagssFIN
generalt
wndsnb
LoyceV
frodocooper
Hockeybum
WhyFhy
MoparMiningLLC
DireWolfM14
mikeywith
favebook


doing this lowered me to +65

I realized that if you can't trust theymos you should not be on the forum

and buysolar is my long term bitcoin partner he is not particularly active on the forum, but he practices no abusive attacks on people in the forum.

I don't like leaving some of the names above off my list, but I am tired of the political attacks on the forum.
I personally don't think it helps the forum and that it harms the forum.

In the end my judgement of anyone here does not mean much of anything so I am not judging anyone.

I am also going to alter my feedbacks in the next week or so.

When I alter them I will post it here.

Note while I self moderated this I am also locking it for the time being. When I change my feedbacks I will  unlock this and make this more developed then it is now.

[philipma1957]

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note new trust list with me trusting an untrusted alt of myself
I now have zero trust





if you leave trust blank it auto fills to DefaultTrust

therefore if you only allow for DefaultTrust I go to +76

So adding DefaultTrust I  self scratch to +76 oh but self scratch with only default trust is okay. I am getting that message very strongly that is not a "real' problem.

[philipma1957]

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bottom line is I do not believe in using the default list.

I figure theymos owns the site and ultimately I rather use him over the default list.

I drop down to +65
So I penalize myself by having a more exclusive list.





Here is my problem.

I know more than 1 person personally on the forum

DaveF.       Good guy have met him in 2 Different States
generalt.    Good guy active helpful did business I know his family.
buysolar     My partner spoke with him today.
valkir.          Met with him in person more than once, An active member we exchanged pm's many times.
wheelz1200 Met with him in person more than once. An active member. I see no sign of abust of the trust system or feedbacks

Did a lot of business and many pm's and emails with

HerbPean - multiple business deals with him An active member that does not abuse trust or feedbacks.
Lesbian Cow - multiple business dealings with him active member that does not abuse trust or feedbacks.


jonnybravo0311 he was on my list and I was pressured to remove him years ago when I was attacked in a similar manner.



every person above was on my list and many were removed because I was attacked in a manner almost identical that Og was attacked.

Now no-one should know I contact many of these people off forum let us see if I re list them in trust what happens.

I go to +80

which is 4 points higher than if I just do default trust.

So what is the point of these attacks they only serve to keep decent people off the trust list that I make time to do.

Because I do not want to get attacked again.

Which is the very reason I got involved on the Og thread.

[philipma1957]

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This is a bit out of sequence. the two other spacers were filled after I did this one.

As angry as I was about the thread it made me look deeper into the entire issue of trust list settings and feedback.

 I now realize I can look at anyone's trust list in real time via proper use of the forum and I don't need to trust loyce or such moon for inscribing the data correctly.

I simply need to list one person as trusted and no one else to see their list.

While this does not go backwards into the past it at least means I can verify both loyce and suchmoon's current info.

This solves ½ of my issues with how the info was used against Og.

Please understand I was not defending Og I was attacking the method used to attack Og.

Since  the current lists seem to go back 99 weeks any data done before this is worthless to use to attack someone since as it can no longer be verified. It is also worthless to defend ones self as old trust lists seem to b not accessible before 2018.

I am therefore adding HerbPean back to my list as I  know I was forced to remove  him when I was attacked very much like Og was attacked. Back in 2015.

It will raise my score of +65 a few points it raised me to 79 points.


this is my list.

theymos
buysolar
HerbPean


All my issues would be solved it all trust lists  were rest to default trust on Jan 1 or Feb 1 this would be all info would be able to be verified with no lost old info impossible to  verify




this is the newest part.
as I stated above I have been playing with the trust list and I am now at +80. which is 4 higher then defaultTrust which gives +76




I added a few more.


theymos
OgNasty
-ck
buysolar
TookDk
sidehack
Biffa
Lesbian Cow
valkir
suchmoon
wheelz1200
DaveF
jonnybravo0311
HerbPean
HagssFIN
generalt
wndsnb
LoyceV
frodocooper
Hockeybum
WhyFhy
MoparMiningLLC
DireWolfM14
mikeywith
favebook


that is my full trust list right now.

I am willing to discuss it now.

Here is the definition or set of guidelines  for making a custom trust list.

quoted from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
Trust Settings

"List the users who you trust to have good trust ratings and good trust lists, one user per line. Prefix a user's name with a tilde (~) if you want to exclude them from your trust network. If you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix their name with a backslash."


So my custom list gives me an +83 vs +76

I would be willing to discuss any name on the list.

WhyFhy
jonnybravo0311  


would be the 2 odd ones.

btw I would consider vod's negative trust against whyfly to be abuse of the trust system and the feedback system

As I read the reference I do not think whyfhy sold trust and or was selling trust I think vod read and interpreted the thread incorrectly. WhyFhy was entitled to 0.004 btc
He offered to reduce it.  So he was not selling he was asking for less than what was owed to him.



http://archive.is/O02nP#selection-2988.19-2988.22

If you win an auction and don't pay for the goods you can get negative trust. Because whyfhy offers a discount to just remove the negative does not mean he was selling it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2585603

crypto832 has a history of misbehaving.

So while doing some research I find a very suspect negative feedback rating by vod against WhyFhy


I really do not want to go down this rabbit hole so far

I found pretty decent evidence that vod did wrong here to whyfhy

and I know vod doxxed Og when Og held 1,000,000 + usd worth of BTC that belonged to the forum.

Frankly I think I will leave it at this as I do not want to ruffle feathers.

I am sure I annoyed vod at the least which was not my intention.

But this is my point forum cops are cool ,scam busters are cool.  Great work. etc.

But I found one case self scratch attacks to be suspect. This one against Og
I was wrong attacked and listed as the forum's worst self scratch person
And I found a certain error of how to apply what is a trust sale by vod.

The seller was simply trying to collect what was owed to him.

hey vod how about pulling back that neg trust you gave to whyfhy?

This is why we are having an issue about forum policing.

We had more than 500 plagiarism cases a lot more.  
If you bother to look I helped to overturn 2 cases.
Because my thoughts were they were unfair.
I think I only tired to help 3 people as I thought all three were wrong.

I do not come into this section without my own fears of people looking to fuck me, for questioning certain attacks on reputation.
I was attacked years ago.
I am sure this thread will piss a lot of people off. But sometimes you have to speak up.


So.with out trying very hard.

1) a wrong attack against me for self scratch done years ago.
2) a suspect attack against Og for self scratch
3) a very suspect negative feedback from vod to whyfhy
4) + 5)  I helped over turn a ban against 2 people bittawm,tvplus006

btw

 tvplus006 is a big time scam fighter

I am not against fight scammers.


Treads open.

And sincerely vod removing whyfhy's neg feedback is the right thing to do.

This is not about me and you it is about the forum and doing the right thing.

[philipma1957]

Locked due to no interest.