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Question: Can you please provide some votes on probability of the target environment for future ?
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March 01, 2014, 07:35:31 PM
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Hi- I have started this thread to talk about how bitcoin could shape the coming world.

I am a operations and process guy so I am creating a target environment.

Target environment

- As machines and computer get advanced they will be able to do everything for us. Take care of our physical and mental wants. As computers start getting the greed in their AI, they will start the human nature of attachment to feelings it likes.

I am making  Absract from Buddhism that people get attached to feelings. From science so far I take that people do more of what they like so computers will do more of what they like ( ofCourse not all computers will be greedy and not will get attached to one feeling). Then there is now scarcity of power because computers want more and more of it and it passes point where human beings are now challenged by those computers who are greedy and want more power and are acting like anarchists or revolutionaries.

I don't think we need to make assumption of the final out come. However if computers win the final source of power could be humans like in matrix or from planet of apes where human are used like slaves to generate power. ( I may be wrong about generating power in plant of apes but similar concept)

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March 01, 2014, 07:50:04 PM
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Sooo many assumptions....

Hi- I have started this thread to talk about how bitcoin could shape the coming world.

I am a operations and process guy so I am creating a target environment.

Target environment

- As machines and computer get advanced they will be able to do everything for us. Take care of our physical and mental wants. As computers start getting the greed in their AI, they will start the human nature of attachment to feelings it likes.

- If they get advanced enough. Careing for the old and sick is a big problem, but I dont see "computers and machines" taking those any time soon.
- "start getting the gree in their AI"? What? That sounds like greed is some sort of infection. Why do you think another lifeform would be as greedy as humans?

I am making  Absract from Buddhism that people get attached to feelings.

- Feelings are what makes us humans. Beeing detached from your feelings usually means you have some sort of mental disorder. I dont know much about budism, but I doubt thats the teaching.


From science so far I take that people do more of what they...

Humans are very capable of delaying rewards, I wouldnt say they "do more of what they like"

... like so computers will do more of what they like ( ofCourse not all computers will be greedy and not will get attached to one feeling).

Again why would a new lifeform be like us?


Then there is now scarcity of power because computers want more and more of it and it passes

... or maybe they are supersmart and build coldfusionreactors for us all and we life happily ever after


 point where human beings are now challenged by those computers who are greedy and want more power and are acting like anarchists or revolutionaries.


"acting like anarchists"?



I don't think we need to make assumption of the final out come. However if computers win the final source of power could be humans like in matrix or from planet of apes where human are used like slaves to generate power. ( I may be wrong about generating power in plant of apes but similar concept)



Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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March 01, 2014, 08:21:34 PM
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Sooo many assumptions....

so, first of thanks for responding. this is my first blog and am greatly honored. Always believed it was a scam or too much commercialized. I guess beliefs change Smiley


my assumptions are based on what I believe ( of course they change as I get more knowledge, experience and my level of confidence on that topic at a point of time)

My Beliefs are backed by some statistical conclusions, our current understanding of history and speculation.

1st assumption:


- As machines and computer get advanced they will be able to do everything for us. Take care of our physical and mental wants.

speculation based on evolutionary growth from past

- human beings used to cook food and now machines and computers do that. I am sure you can think of many.
- Computer can create human organs, DNA technology
- Chemical can change the feelings we get in our brain- any sort of drugs, medical  and non medical
- computers can drive cars or operate any motors//machines we use


2nd assumption:


Greed in IA

what I am referring is the fact that the evolution is based on MORE or attachment to what one likes. example speed in computers, applications, industrialization etc it also looks at people moving on to do things as per some hierarchy or prioritization. Mars lows law of human wants etc

 also computers so far from what we understand takes inputs processes and then gives output. You can calibrate desired output. When we input AI like anything greed will be part of package.

and as the processing of information will take place I am assuming based on history, greed for power, lust, god, gold as always prevailed. ALso I am not saying that's the end I am saying it will coexist. or atleast will be a factor moving the world.


Finally. now my objective is spread the use of bitcoin. IN my world I am trained to ask why for everything. And it would be helpful for people like to me get a picture of a world after certain years so they can continue to evolve bitcoins.

This will be an evolutionary thread to gather ideas on how bitcoins can be used on all aspects of world. First starting with money and the big question of WHY

Also. I couldn't complete my assumptions, one big one is that the result is humans are still in control of computers. This way everyone is taking this positively.
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March 02, 2014, 08:46:55 AM
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-snip-
1st assumption:
- As machines and computer get advanced they will be able to do everything for us. Take care of our physical and mental wants.

speculation based on evolutionary growth from past

- human beings used to cook food and now machines and computers do that. I am sure you can think of many.
- Computer can create human organs, DNA technology
- Chemical can change the feelings we get in our brain- any sort of drugs, medical  and non medical
- computers can drive cars or operate any motors//machines we use


- But machines dont evolve, they are build by humans.
- Also evolutionary Change needs evolutionary pressure. If you do not adept you die, so those who did adept survive. I dont see this with machines any time soon. Maybe somewhere in the distant future, but thats just something time will tell.
- A Computer can create humans organs? Where did you get that from? Top edge afaik is printing organs, which basicly means that you splash livercells on livercells and hope you get a liver that works for 2 hours.
- Chemcals change our feelings because our body uses chemicals (hormones) to transmit information. Humans are able to make other chemicals that have the same or a similar effect, thats all.
- Computers can drive cars? Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO9mrb1IJRo
Nothing evolutionary here.


2nd assumption:

Greed in IA

what I am referring is the fact that the evolution is based on MORE or attachment to what one likes. example speed in computers, applications, industrialization etc it also looks at people moving on to do things as per some hierarchy or prioritization. Mars lows law of human wants etc


That is not evolution. That is what society is. If you are fed and have a house you are happy enough to pursue a new goal. This comes from cooperation between human beeings, not from the evolution of those humans. One could argue that we can only cooperate because we evolved the brain we have, but the same brain could have been used for something different.


 also computers so far from what we understand takes inputs processes and then gives output. You can calibrate desired output. When we input AI like anything greed will be part of package.


AI is not deterministic. Thats the point of an intelligence. If it would be just input enough of A and you get B, we would have good AI by now.


and as the processing of information will take place I am assuming based on history, greed for power, lust, god, gold as always prevailed. ALso I am not saying that's the end I am saying it will coexist. or atleast will be a factor moving the world.

Finally. now my objective is spread the use of bitcoin. IN my world I am trained to ask why for everything. And it would be helpful for people like to me get a picture of a world after certain years so they can continue to evolve bitcoins.

This will be an evolutionary thread to gather ideas on how bitcoins can be used on all aspects of world. First starting with money and the big question of WHY

Also. I couldn't complete my assumptions, one big one is that the result is humans are still in control of computers. This way everyone is taking this positively.


I would argue that the majority of people using computers are in fact not in control of said computer, but that does not mean that computers are in control of humans, its just that most people dont understand computers.

But you say you live in a world where its important to ask "why for everything".
Why do you think evolution happens?

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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