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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48391266Julian Assange, Wikileaks co-founder, faces 17 new charges in US The US justice department has filed 17 new charges against Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange, who is facing extradition from the UK.
The latest charges accuse him of receiving and unlawfully publishing the names of classified sources.
He was previously charged last month with one count of conspiring with ex-intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to gain access to the Pentagon network.
Assange is serving a jail sentence in the UK for jumping bail.
It was while he was on bail facing sexual assault allegations in Sweden that he sought asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy in London in 2012. He has always denied the accusations.
The 47-year-old was arrested on 11 April after Ecuador abruptly withdrew his asylum, and later jailed for 50 weeks for skipping bail. Just as what everyone is expecting, US finally stepping on the toes of Julian and has filed 17 new charges. I wouldn't be surprised if London will extradite Julian in the next couple of months and face that charges and shut him good a good 30-50 years prison term.
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The reason why Assange stayed in the Ecuador embassy for all those years was because he was afraid of, and had every reason to believe England would extradite Assange to the US. As long as Assange remains charged in the US, I do not see any way he will not be extradited to the US based on the treaty between the two countries. After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange. Assange has embarrassed many powerful people in DC, and Trump will not have political support for doing this. Depending on his margin of victory, and the state of Congress after the 2020 election, Trump may need to wait until after the 2024 election.
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May 24, 2019, 07:01:32 AM |
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After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange.
Why would Trump do that? (Serious question)
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May 24, 2019, 07:18:38 AM |
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After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange.
Why would Trump do that? (Serious question) As mentioned, pardoning Assange will be politically unpopular. The best time to a politically unpopular move is immediately after an election because you are maximizing the time until you need to face voters again. If Trump wins reelection, and only has a narrow majority in the house and senate, he might wish to wait until after the 2024 election because pardoning Assonge might inspire enough Republican congressmen to be upset enough so they become opposed to Trump's agenda.
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May 24, 2019, 11:31:13 AM |
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After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange.
Why would Trump do that? (Serious question) As mentioned, pardoning Assange will be politically unpopular. The best time to a politically unpopular move is immediately after an election because you are maximizing the time until you need to face voters again. If Trump wins reelection, and only has a narrow majority in the house and senate, he might wish to wait until after the 2024 election because pardoning Assonge might inspire enough Republican congressmen to be upset enough so they become opposed to Trump's agenda. Meh, it still doesn't seem like a good reason. Why would Trump pardon the guy, that is definitely gonna keep digging under US government and sabotage his job? On one side we've got some mysterious inspiration for congressmen and on the other side we still get a real threat. I think their choice is obvious. But at least now we see real accusations instead of claims that Julian raped someone.
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May 24, 2019, 11:41:33 AM |
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After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange.
Why would Trump do that? (Serious question) As mentioned, pardoning Assange will be politically unpopular. The best time to a politically unpopular move is immediately after an election because you are maximizing the time until you need to face voters again. If Trump wins reelection, and only has a narrow majority in the house and senate, he might wish to wait until after the 2024 election because pardoning Assonge might inspire enough Republican congressmen to be upset enough so they become opposed to Trump's agenda. Meh, it still doesn't seem like a good reason. Why would Trump pardon the guy, that is definitely gonna keep digging under US government and sabotage his job? On one side we've got some mysterious inspiration for congressmen and on the other side we still get a real threat. I think their choice is obvious. But at least now we see real accusations instead of claims that Julian raped someone. The man on the street doesn't know or care about Assange. It's the Washington swamp that's out to get him. Ignore that Manning was pardoned by Obama... Assange, right out in the open, tipped the 2016 election in the direction of Trump.
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May 24, 2019, 03:39:36 PM |
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The reason why Assange stayed in the Ecuador embassy for all those years was because he was afraid of, and had every reason to believe England would extradite Assange to the US. As long as Assange remains charged in the US, I do not see any way he will not be extradited to the US based on the treaty between the two countries. After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange. Assange has embarrassed many powerful people in DC, and Trump will not have political support for doing this. Depending on his margin of victory, and the state of Congress after the 2020 election, Trump may need to wait until after the 2024 election. Honestly I don't think this is something that is going to happen, Trump may like Assange personally for what he released and such -- though the Republican party isn't going to be able to allow him to walk for what he released regarding the War in Iraq / War on terror that was released in 2011 (I think) by Assange. This is also the time when Democrats LOVED Wikileaks. If Assange was simply releasing information, like media companies in the US do time and time again -- that's one thing. Though if he has helped in actually hacking databases, paying people to do it, and so on -- then he should be punished as such.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilqHAhO2igHere you see 5 accounts of assault with excesses force and kidnapping on a senior citizen. Just let the man be.... for real.
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May 25, 2019, 05:48:12 AM |
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After the 2020 election, Trump should pardon Assange.
Why would Trump do that? (Serious question) As mentioned, pardoning Assange will be politically unpopular. The best time to a politically unpopular move is immediately after an election because you are maximizing the time until you need to face voters again. If Trump wins reelection, and only has a narrow majority in the house and senate, he might wish to wait until after the 2024 election because pardoning Assonge might inspire enough Republican congressmen to be upset enough so they become opposed to Trump's agenda. Meh, it still doesn't seem like a good reason. Why would Trump pardon the guy, that is definitely gonna keep digging under US government and sabotage his job? On one side we've got some mysterious inspiration for congressmen and on the other side we still get a real threat. I think their choice is obvious. Trump does not need anyone's permission to pardon anyone. His problem is that if he pardons someone that many congressmen are opposed to receiving a pardon, they may stand in the way of his agenda out of spite. This is why many presidents pardon many people after the presidential election in which they are no longer up for election in; lame duck sessions are often very unproductive, and he will not be harming his party in an election. Ignore that Manning was pardoned by Obama... I don't think Manning would have gotten his sentence communed if he had not been a trans. Assange, right out in the open, tipped the 2016 election in the direction of Trump.
This is partly why I believe Trump will want to pardon Assange, in addition to it being the right thing to do. I think trump knows an Assange pardon will be difficult politically, and is hoping the SC will throw out the charges and/or conviction on first amendment grounds.
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May 25, 2019, 05:28:21 PM |
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Donald Trump is doing all he can to kill free press by labelling any news he does not like a fake news. He only like Fox News and believes them. He will do everything to make sure Julia is prosecuted and jailed. I hope he gets impeached or forced out of office like Theresa May.
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May 25, 2019, 07:42:56 PM |
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Next level hypocracy.
Our democracy seems just like a broken clock - working correctly two times a day.
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Politics are essentially a lie. Why? Because they talk all around the important points.
Take taxes for example. No matter how you look at it, forced taxes are theft, but voluntary taxes are donations. Let's get the truth into the open to counter the lies.
Why Truth Matters![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomsphoenix.com%2FUploads%2FGraphics%2F522-0616050613-Gg.jpg&t=665&c=iEbloC9B2-gNug) -------------------- Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence and thereby eventually lose all ability to defend ourselves and those we love. – Julian Assange -------------------- We are social beings who require relationships with others of our species not only to live well, but to survive. As Franz Oppenheimer reminded us, there are only two systems available to provide for our material needs: the economic and the political means. The “economic” means consists of persons voluntarily exchanging their respective claims of ownership on terms they negotiate for themselves; while the “political” means involve the forceful taking of property by the state, without the consent of the owner. The “property principle” is involved in each system, with the “economic” means respecting the inviolability of an owner’s claim, while the “political” means disrespects it. The distinction between these two systems is often expressed as the difference between “individualism” and “collectivism.” The state is often called upon to impose its realpolitik powers upon individuals who are inconveniences to the established order. “Truth” is essential to the economic means in order that the parties have precision in the property interests being exchanged, as well as other terms of the contract. Because political activity is grounded in lies, exaggerations, deceptions, and corrupt practices, truth is largely an irrelevant factor. To the politically driven in a thoroughly politicized world, a lie is as good as the truth as long as people believe it! ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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