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August 27, 2018, 01:50:12 PM
Last edit: August 29, 2018, 04:15:09 PM by TalkStar
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Dear forum members,
Today I am going to discuss here a very important matter. Little earlier I see something unusual here on a scam ICO ANN. With valid proof I post on their ANN to put everyone stay away from them. After my post "icoholder.com"post there that they have listed the ICO on their listing site . How its possible a listing site list scam ICO on their listing category?
 Undecided Its a trick to blackmail ICOs here on bitcointalk. First they list ICO without any cost on their website & after somedays start forcing to develop ratings with a big fund.Even they don't investigate well is it a scam project or Not. Its really disappointed after seeing my post that its a scam project they post there Sad

Just see how they are using multiple account for spamming:

Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/travelus-24934 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations! At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.

If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)
http://archive.is/pw2Lk

In my opinion perhaps this kind of listing sites blackmail several ICOs by following this rating techniques. They also using multiple bitcointalk Account to make spam on forum. I have already given proof above. Please take a look below how they doing this here :

Hello! I am editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors: https://icoholder.com/en/hive-power-20465 You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members to improve ranking.
Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/qlear-protocol-24894 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.

If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/coinbates-24940 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.




"Hello! I am an editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors:https://icoholder.com/en/ico/simple-token-4080 You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO and also verify team members to improve ranking.
If you need any help - feel free to contact me!"
Hello! I am editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors: https://icoholder.com/en/vicoin-vic-18955 You can edit your Page  by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members to improve ranking.

CoinFi with a rating of 4.05 on our ICO list
https://icoholder.com/en/ico/coinfi-16199

The ICO and project team has been verified. We interviewed the team members.

Our rating is one of the most objective and rigorous, it is independent and created to assess the investment attractiveness. Rating checks your idea and project for vitality it is based on more than 70 different parameters. We are monitoring the ICOs on daily basis.

Sincerely, ICOholder

"Hello! I am an editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors:https://icoholder.com/en/ico/dehedge-16176 You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO and also verify team members to improve ranking.
If you need any help - feel free to contact me!"

All these accounts are connected with "icoholder.com"
They are using these multiple accounts to blackmail ICOs here on bitcointalk.Even they don't care about fake ICO, fake team or whatever. They just need money. Huh

please everyone be careful about "icoholder.com".


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August 31, 2018, 09:32:24 PM
Last edit: August 31, 2018, 09:48:08 PM by marlboroza
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ICO rating sites shouldn't be trusted at all, especially this one - as they allow scammers to verify their fake team members and they are giving them high rates if they do that. For all verified stock pictures they will rate ICO team with 5/5 - this is proven.
To be honest, I don't think they are blackmailing anyone here, do you have proof of your claim?

If you find more accounts send me PM I'll tag them all.
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August 31, 2018, 11:30:43 PM
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To be honest, I don't think they are blackmailing anyone here, do you have proof of your claim?
Maybe they aren't blackmailed. Maybe icoholder.com is paid for listing them, its the other way around? Some private dealings between the scam ico and the icoholder.com?

Maybe icoholder.com isn't even aware of the scam ICO to be an actual scam, and they are just doing it for the money?

The projects aren't given any "rating", so should that give any benefit of the doubt?

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Last edit: September 01, 2018, 06:06:56 AM by Coolcryptovator
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ICO rating sites shouldn't be trusted at all, especially this one - as they allow scammers to verify their fake team members and they are giving them high rates if they do that. For all verified stock pictures they will rate ICO team with 5/5 - this is proven.
To be honest, I don't think they are blackmailing anyone here, do you have proof of your claim?

If you find more accounts send me PM I'll tag them all.

I don't think they will leave any proof as well. But let me show you something.
According to ICO holder ;
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Submit the form below to get your pre-ICO or ICO published on the ICOholder.

Please note that listing on ICOholder is free only for ICOs which were preselected by our specialists because of our interest for future investment in these projects.

For ICO listing (registration, audit, rating service and priority updates) we charge a flat rate of 1.5 ETH.

If you want move project to top of list please visit partnership page
Just visit : https://icoholder.com/en/v2/ico/create

So why they listed BQT and leave it unrated ? They messaged on telegram.


They are asking for submit details. Already listed why need again asking for details. All the details are in website. That means there is no free option for submit ICO. Although this is not direct blackmail but I think partially.
Let me show a claim, even not about icoholder, but case is similar. Let me find , I forgot where I saw ... I will edit once find it. got it & edit ;
THINGS DID NOT GO AS PLANNED!
However, on the second month after the IEO, COINTROOPS has received multiple messages sent from some ICO Listing websites that COINTROOPS is listed on their websites, without any ratings just because COINTROOPS doesn’t include Team Profile on IEO website and they demanded to pay some 5–10 ETH to “unlock” the ratings and become 5 Star. We certainly doesn’t want to give in which helps these dirty tricks grow and on the other hand doesn’t want our project to be sabotaged, we took the decision to put fake photos just for the sake of not falling for these set ups.

We hope the above would explain why we remain anonymous, what we have done to protect ourselves from being a prey of ICO Listing websites.

Not sure their accusation is right or wrong. But this king of listing means blackmail.  After listing if rating is 00 & they don't want to delist also. In this situation project owner worry about bad reputation for his ICO. So by force they have to pay.

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September 01, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
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Not sure their accusation is right or wrong. But this king of listing means blackmail.  After listing if rating is 00 & they don't want to delist also. In this situation project owner worry about bad reputation for his ICO. So by force they have to pay.

If their project is legit, I don't think they should care about this site at all. Many scams ICO was stated verified here, who would still believe them?

There are too many problems from this site. Their verification process is pretty much nonsense. Probably verification means "ok, you paid me. changed your status!"

Maybe they aren't blackmailed. Maybe icoholder.com is paid for listing them, its the other way around? Some private dealings between the scam ico and the icoholder.com?

AFAIK, this site is very active on listing new project, join their telegram and then post this notification that they've listed the projects. Not really sure what happens behind that, but I doubt prior this listing, ICOHolder doesn't have any deals with any project.

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The projects aren't given any "rating", so should that give any benefit of the doubt?
This is from their site:

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ICOholder is a platform that was established to provide its users reliable information about the best Initial Coin Offering projects and help ICOs attract more investors

ICOethics has discovered this(I'll point to their topic for better visibility and you can find links to scam accusations there):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2264556.msg44361900#msg44361900

Now, this is new info for mentioned "project" (the other one as well):


How(Or better, when?) 4.27/5, with 5/5 rating for their fake team turned into - "it might be scam"?
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September 03, 2018, 04:47:16 AM
Last edit: September 03, 2018, 04:57:58 AM by TalkStar
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To be honest, I don't think they are blackmailing anyone here, do you have proof of your claim?

If you find more accounts send me PM I'll tag them all.
Obviously I will PM you if I find more accounts

Its clearly proven that they are working just for money. Even without investigation they are asking ICOs to be listed on their site. I have already mention above after deep investigation I found one ICO project with fake team and I post all proof on that ICOs ANN thread.Strangely   after my post these guys who's are  spamming for "Icoholder.com" starting post on that thread to contact them for listing. Although I am continuing my deep investigation to reveal all their fraudulent activities on our forum.Thanks for putting your attention on this matter.
Maybe icoholder.com isn't even aware of the scam ICO to be an actual scam, and they are just doing it for the money?
Exactly icoholder.com isn't even aware of scam ICO. They just doing this for money. A listing site work rules is to highlight real ICO project with healthy informations. But here icoholder.com is just doing it for money. They even don't have attention is it fake or real. Is it acceptable in this forum to promote a Fake ICO through this kinda listing sites who doesn't care about investor. Sad




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September 03, 2018, 05:23:56 AM
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Interesting that he is creating so many accounts for this purpose. I smell ban evading...

Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/emirates-24967 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.



If you have any questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.is/tApMQ)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/haritecoin-24930 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.



If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/E3GUt)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/ghostshell-24920 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations! At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.


If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/DIiPq)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/ethereum-beta-24939 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

 At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.

If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/aEgjD)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/pantercon-24953 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

 At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.



If you have any questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/JFxPe)



Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/talentchain-24896 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.

If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/hEaj8)


Hello! Your project https://icoholder.com/en/hypd-24926 was selected among others and was added to our listing - icoholder.com. Congratulations!

 At the moment your project is unrated (N/A). You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members.

If you have more questions, please write to @m_holder (https://t.me/m_holder)

(Archive: http://archive.fo/7EK5b)




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September 03, 2018, 01:33:25 PM
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Interesting that he is creating so many accounts for this purpose. I smell ban evading..
There could be possibly more...

Yeah there could be more multiple accounts. Its the way how they spamming here on bitcointalk. There maybe much more accounts on be half of them. Even they don't hesitate that is a CO project legal or not. We should open our eyes to detect  who's are doing and supporting this kind of activities.


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Another member rank ICO holders account

Hello IPEX team!

Congratulations! You have been selected and added to icoholder.com. Find your project on our website and go through verification to add more information.

https://icoholder.com/en/ipex-26340

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We collected the most detailed database of all projects existing in the market. We obtain this information from different sources, aggregate it and create ratings.
Here are examples of screenshots of how experts' assessments/ratings are collected and aggregated from different sources of top ranked and trusted sites





Then we contact these projects and place them on our tracker free of charge. This takes some time. We have a team of specialists, and each editor works on a specific ICO set from their own unique bitcointalk account. That is the reason why different accounts are used, not just one. After our editors report that the ICO is placed on the tracker, we ask the project’s team members to check the information on their new profiles.

In addition, we carry out verification of ICO team members. This happens as follows: each team member must log in with their LinkedIn account, which is noted on the project’s profile and link his/her page to the LinkedIn or Facebook account. Thus, the members show that they are directly related to this particular ICO via social signin. However, we cannot prove legitimacy of LinkedIn profiles in the case of an ICO using fake accounts. Also, from these accounts, team members must confirm that they are engaged in the particular ICO. They can describe their roles, responsibilities and why they believe in the project. If none of the team members have confirmed their participation in the ICO, it raises suspicions. In such case, we mark team members as "Unverified".

We do the same if ICO team members don't have a single LinkedIn or Facebook profile. We do not request any ID data from team members, but only information about social profiles, from which they can enter on our site and confirm that their accounts are linked to an ICO. This is how our verification system works. We do not accept money for ICO rating compiling and its modification. The project cannot pay money and change/increase the rating in such a way. If the rating is low we can help the project to figure out what the problem is. We will by performing an audit, give recommendations about what should be corrected, how to work with an audience, and develop social channels, etc.
A payment for the listing may be charged only if the project, that is not on Bitcointalk yet (as an example), has contacted us with a request to be placed on the site (with such priority) and as soon as possible. Because of the large number of ICOs that are constantly appearing there is a long number of updates in our queue. We do not have expendable resources to make all edits at once and update old information about all projects. Therefore, there is a so-called "priority listing" for teams that have a desire to place or update their information with our help and without waiting.

The rating is based on various sources. For example, the project Yudi Token was rated 4.7, because it is aggregated on all other sites with an average rating 4.7. As soon as we found out that it is a scam and team members have fake profiles, we updated the data immediately and provided a note of warning: "Warning. It may be a Scam".

We publish a large amount of information on our website, for example, when projects have fake telegrams or when their activity grows suspiciously. We show it in our statistics and try to reflect the situation as objectively as possible.
The rating isn't provided by our experts, but taken from all rating sites and presented cohesively. The rating may change throughout the ICO’s existence. It may rise or fall.
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Therefore, you cannot accuse us of writing messages to projects and posting for money.
To verify the correctness of all the posted information about ICO listings, we write messages in Bitcointalk, Telegram, etc. This is our way to get in touch with ICO and ask them to update the information. As for the Scam projects, you can personally observe that many projects on our tracker are marked with the Scam Warning. We try to place all the evidence regarding scam ICOs. If you have any evidence that some ICOs that are scams, please contact us and we will surely post this information once validated.

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In addition, we carry out verification of ICO team members. This happens as follows: each team member must log in with their LinkedIn account, which is noted on the project’s profile and link his/her page to the LinkedIn or Facebook account. Thus, the members show that they are directly related to this particular ICO via social signin. However, we cannot prove legitimacy of LinkedIn profiles in the case of an ICO using fake accounts. Also, from these accounts, team members must confirm that they are engaged in the particular ICO. They can describe their roles, responsibilities and why they believe in the project. If none of the team members have confirmed their participation in the ICO, it raises suspicions. In such case, we mark team members as "Unverified".
If someone doesn't verify their team members, (not a single project is obligated to do it at your site) - it raises suspicions, but if someone verify ALL team members, no matter they are real or not - it is OK. Is that what are you trying to say?  Undecided

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sinonimi: substantiate, confirm, prove, show to be true, corroborate, back up, support, uphold, evidence, establish, demonstrate, demonstrate the truth of, show, show beyond doubt, attest to, testify to, validate, authenticate, endorse, certify, accredit, ratify, warrant, vouch for, bear out, bear witness to, give credence to, give force to, give/lend weight to, justify, vindicate;
make sure, make certain, check;

swear to or support (a statement) by affidavit.
Almost every ICO has linkedin and social media profiles of their team members and to be honest it takes few minutes to create such accounts meaning your verification process doesn't make much sense and it is highly misleading.

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Everything you ever need to know about ICOHolder can be described with a project called Tkeycoin.

They were first caught by ICOEthics to have several fake members using stock images. After they were informed, Tkeycoin was marked as a possible scam. Now, a month later, all team members have verified status, of course, with no pictures. Scam warning has been removed and the project ended up on their front page. haha

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5027599

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December 16, 2018, 10:35:28 AM
 #14

Everything you ever need to know about ICOHolder can be described with a project called Tkeycoin.

They were first caught by ICOEthics to have several fake members using stock images. After they were informed, Tkeycoin was marked as a possible scam. Now, a month later, all team members have verified status, of course, with no pictures. Scam warning has been removed and the project ended up on their front page. haha

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5027599
Your explanation is true and thanks a lot for sharing it here. They don't care about ICO investors. Its just the matters how they can earn money from ico owners.  Even they don't care is that scam or real. Their first trick is to list any ico with no charge and after then they start pushing to improve rating on their site by paying money. Its just a scam frame.


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