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November 19, 2018, 05:26:32 AM
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In the developing world, having high remittance flows (such as sub-Saharan countries) or being unbanked will make cryptocurrency very attractive for the population in general. But I'm not sure if the government themselves embrace the cryptocurrency.

Here's a thought: If you were to come up with a cryptocurrency, what features does it need to make a country supportive of it?
It has to be decentralized, and the people and government/authority both willing to use it long-term.

1. What kind of situation would a country have to be in for it's government to support its population using cryptocurrency?

"Support" here should be understood as concrete changes like accepting payment or transactions using a cryptocurrency, or investing in them.

Political parties may be raising funds by creating their own tokens, but these aren't likely to be the accepted currency for everyone in the country. On the other hand, there may be cryptocurrencies used to bypass trade sanctions: Would this be an example of a cryptocurrency accepted by both the people, the government and usable by more than one country (at least, their allies)?


2. A related question would be: What kind of government system would be most accepting of cryptocurrency?
Feels like adoption of cryptocurrency will be most resistant for countries with strong currency, and vice versa. A person living in a country plague with conflict and unrest will also find cryptocurrency appealing, though in regards to this topic, there is no "central authority" in a state, is there? Would the system of government affect how appealing cryptocurrency is? (Or do you believe any government would reject it?)  

Question for fun: In a zombie apocalypse, is cryptocurrency more useful as a medium of exchange (assuming the infrastructure like internet is working)? I would assume it would make it easier to safeguard your accumulated resources and let you travel with less burden.


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In your replies, I am also interested in how you would the design of the crytocurrency model: what are the incentives to "behave well"; and will it be design for use in a region, or globally (I assume the cryptocurrency will have a targeted user, as global population have too much economic, societal and political differences).


Assuming you believe cryptocurrency will never be attractive to any kind of government, then:
Would blockchain technology be adopted? If yes, how will it be used?
(This is assuming the governmental body has a basic/informed understanding of what blockchain technology is.)

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November 19, 2018, 09:09:56 AM
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First of all if am to go with your topic title, I don't think most countries of the world will support a decentralized currency and there already exist it own centralized currency which their have total control over. And for a currency such as crypto currency to be supported then it has to let go of some of it decentralized nature and be ready to go through due regulations from the government institutions before being approved as fit for the public consumption by the government.
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November 19, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
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In the developing world, having high remittance flows (such as sub-Saharan countries) or being unbanked will make cryptocurrency very attractive for the population in general. But I'm not sure if the government themselves embrace the cryptocurrency.

Here's a thought: If you were to come up with a cryptocurrency, what features does it need to make a country supportive of it?
It has to be decentralized, and the people and government/authority both willing to use it long-term.

1. What kind of situation would a country have to be in for it's government to support its population using cryptocurrency?

"Support" here should be understood as concrete changes like accepting payment or transactions using a cryptocurrency, or investing in them.

Political parties may be raising funds by creating their own tokens, but these aren't likely to be the accepted currency for everyone in the country. On the other hand, there may be cryptocurrencies used to bypass trade sanctions: Would this be an example of a cryptocurrency accepted by both the people, the government and usable by more than one country (at least, their allies)?


2. A related question would be: What kind of government system would be most accepting of cryptocurrency?
Feels like adoption of cryptocurrency will be most resistant for countries with strong currency, and vice versa. A person living in a country plague with conflict and unrest will also find cryptocurrency appealing, though in regards to this topic, there is no "central authority" in a state, is there? Would the system of government affect how appealing cryptocurrency is? (Or do you believe any government would reject it?)  

Question for fun: In a zombie apocalypse, is cryptocurrency more useful as a medium of exchange (assuming the infrastructure like internet is working)? I would assume it would make it easier to safeguard your accumulated resources and let you travel with less burden.


3. Design
In your replies, I am also interested in how you would the design of the crytocurrency model: what are the incentives to "behave well"; and will it be design for use in a region, or globally (I assume the cryptocurrency will have a targeted user, as global population have too much economic, societal and political differences).


Assuming you believe cryptocurrency will never be attractive to any kind of government, then:
Would blockchain technology be adopted? If yes, how will it be used?
(This is assuming the governmental body has a basic/informed understanding of what blockchain technology is.)


Interesting questions. Regarding your title, I think small nation-states will be the first to support the use of a decentralized cryptocurrency (such as Malta, Gibraltar etc).

Regarding your other questions:
1) I think if a government is populated with free-market oriented people, they will understand the need of the people to have control over their money and will be in favor of supporting a cryptocurrency. At the opposing end, strong, authoritarian governments will have the most to lose allowing their people to freely use crypto, so they will be mostly opposed to the idea.
2) I think a limited government will be the first to embrace crypto. They have the less to lose by giving up control over money, which everywhere is a tool used to tax the people via inflation. But if the government is small, their income needs are also small so they could fund themselves through direct taxation, rather that using indirect taxation via inflation.

And yes, in a zombie apocalypse (assuming internet and electricity) cryptocurrencies have an advantage over gold, because it's easier to carry, to transmit and to keep.
3) The only design constraint that I see is regarding supply. A fixed supply model, like bitcoin, will favor deflation over long periods of time and this will, in turn, support sustainable economic growth.

Currencies are a medium of exchange and the largest medium of exchange used become money. So it makes sense to cater the currency to the global audience. This will allow users from separate corners of the world to transact between themselves without issues like foreign exchange rate differences. The bigger the market of people that transact between themselves, the bigger the division of labor and the productivity of people.

For me it doesn't make sense to limit a currency to a specific geographic area. Economic, social or political differences are not important when using money.
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November 28, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
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Currencies are a medium of exchange and the largest medium of exchange used become money. So it makes sense to cater the currency to the global audience. This will allow users from separate corners of the world to transact between themselves without issues like foreign exchange rate differences. The bigger the market of people that transact between themselves, the bigger the division of labor and the productivity of people.

For me it doesn't make sense to limit a currency to a specific geographic area. Economic, social or political differences are not important when using money.

One reason for limiting the currency - or at least cater specifically - to a geographic region or certain group of people, is the belief that it will speed up adoption (because its a problem-solver). But I guess in the long run, the currency would have to cater to the global audience anyway. So I guess its best to design one that caters to everyone (I'm not sure if it's possible to make everyone happy, though).

Then, does it have to be as simple as possible, or full of features?

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November 28, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
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And yes, in a zombie apocalypse (assuming internet and electricity) cryptocurrencies have an advantage over gold, because it's easier to carry, to transmit and to keep.
I would say there is even space in post-electrical (once the centralised power switch is pulled off) world for crypto-currencies.
If there are groups of people hoarding electronic equipment and amateur radio stations plus modems, they will be able to operate Bitcoin or rather a POS cryptocurrency long after the switch is off.
They will have small local generators and connect to each other over radio.
In their communities, they will issue notes backed by Crypto.

Perhaps, they will be called "priests of Bitcoin".

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November 28, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
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And yes, in a zombie apocalypse (assuming internet and electricity) cryptocurrencies have an advantage over gold, because it's easier to carry, to transmit and to keep.
I would say there is even space in post-electrical (once the centralised power switch is pulled off) world for crypto-currencies.
If there are groups of people hoarding electronic equipment and amateur radio stations plus modems, they will be able to operate Bitcoin or rather a POS cryptocurrency long after the switch is off.
They will have small local generators and connect to each other over radio.
In their communities, they will issue notes backed by Crypto.

Perhaps, they will be called "priests of Bitcoin".

If that were to be true, we'd be looking at a world, in which crypto is more valuable than the energy necessary to keep the network running. But, if the power plug is off, wouldn't the energy source itself be more convenient as a mean of exchange? You can't run engines on crypto. You can run crypto generator on aforementioned engines.
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December 06, 2018, 04:57:53 AM
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There is no such thing as a decentralized cryptocurrency because the company or the lab that created it have a direct control over it because they can make infinite numbers of coins and manipulate the prices for profits in their advantage. For me, even Bitcoin is not decentralized that's why not a single government is going to support a cryptocurrency

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December 07, 2018, 12:02:00 AM
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I know some Countries, accept cryptocurrency like Malaysia but they're not totally accepted yet.
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December 13, 2018, 08:00:50 PM
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There is no such thing as a decentralized cryptocurrency because the company or the lab that created it have a direct control over it because they can make infinite numbers of coins and manipulate the prices for profits in their advantage. For me, even Bitcoin is not decentralized that's why not a single government is going to support a cryptocurrency

So essentially this means cryptocurrency=fiat

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December 14, 2018, 11:39:17 PM
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In the developing world, having high remittance flows (such as sub-Saharan countries) or being unbanked will make cryptocurrency very attractive for the population in general. But I'm not sure if the government themselves embrace the cryptocurrency.

Here's a thought: If you were to come up with a cryptocurrency, what features does it need to make a country supportive of it?
It has to be decentralized, and the people and government/authority both willing to use it long-term.

1. What kind of situation would a country have to be in for it's government to support its population using cryptocurrency?

"Support" here should be understood as concrete changes like accepting payment or transactions using a cryptocurrency, or investing in them.

Political parties may be raising funds by creating their own tokens, but these aren't likely to be the accepted currency for everyone in the country. On the other hand, there may be cryptocurrencies used to bypass trade sanctions: Would this be an example of a cryptocurrency accepted by both the people, the government and usable by more than one country (at least, their allies)?


2. A related question would be: What kind of government system would be most accepting of cryptocurrency?
Feels like adoption of cryptocurrency will be most resistant for countries with strong currency, and vice versa. A person living in a country plague with conflict and unrest will also find cryptocurrency appealing, though in regards to this topic, there is no "central authority" in a state, is there? Would the system of government affect how appealing cryptocurrency is? (Or do you believe any government would reject it?)  

Question for fun: In a zombie apocalypse, is cryptocurrency more useful as a medium of exchange (assuming the infrastructure like internet is working)? I would assume it would make it easier to safeguard your accumulated resources and let you travel with less burden.


3. Design
In your replies, I am also interested in how you would the design of the crytocurrency model: what are the incentives to "behave well"; and will it be design for use in a region, or globally (I assume the cryptocurrency will have a targeted user, as global population have too much economic, societal and political differences).


Assuming you believe cryptocurrency will never be attractive to any kind of government, then:
Would blockchain technology be adopted? If yes, how will it be used?
(This is assuming the governmental body has a basic/informed understanding of what blockchain technology is.)


jes because if the licensed and legalised banks aren't trusted, like its currently the case all over europe, there will be constantly economic crisis, social unsecurity, and a limitation in growth

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December 17, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
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Don't think they would ever support it because it gives up to much control. In a situation where they could they would need to offer tax incentives to switch people over.

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December 17, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
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Surprised that no one mentioned Venezuela yet.

Especially concerning OP's first question!

What kind of situation? In this case not a very good one :p


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December 21, 2018, 12:45:05 PM
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In the developing world, having high remittance flows (such as sub-Saharan countries) or being unbanked will make cryptocurrency very attractive for the population in general. But I'm not sure if the government themselves embrace the cryptocurrency.

Here's a thought: If you were to come up with a cryptocurrency, what features does it need to make a country supportive of it?....

So you'd want a crypto currency that was not disruptive?
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December 22, 2018, 02:30:02 AM
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in reality all issuers of currencies are in zero sum competition against each other,

so a communal authority would of course always put their own currency over others,

but in some cases they support,

like for example russia, that knows exactly that crypocurrencies will vastly weaken its adversaries (usa, china, eu)

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