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March 11, 2014, 11:23:44 PM
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I'm what most of you would consider a wall street person: I'm a high frequency trader, have been for the past decade, and make my income solely from trading.

I own ~4 bitcoins that I mined myself a couple years back just because I thought/think the bitcoin project is cool.

I'd like to buy many, many more bitcoins (to buy and hold, not to HFT). Putting a few hundred thousand dollars into an investment like bitcoin would be something I'd be happy to do - the risk adjusted returns are within my risk profile. I haven't. The reason is I don't trust any of the exchanges. Even the 'reputable' ones are still small/unproven startups. Coming from the wall street world, there's a lot to be said for the security that larger battle-tested financial institutions offer. When you're talking about putting hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars at risk, counterparty risk is a very real concern. At this point in time, no exchange has given me enough faith to trust them with my money, even if it was only for a single hour where I wired it to them and then bought the BTC and transferred the BTC out immediately. While I never would have used gox, just as an example: What if the company happens to blow up in that hour, and I never get my BTC and my USD are stuck in some sketchy small company that is in a foreign bankruptcy proceeding for the next three years?

Wall street types are happy to accept financial risk, but aren't very fond of counterparty risk, especially if we can't hedge it off onto someone else. At the moment that's not particularly possible. If you got even a single reputable financial institution (bank, equity/commodity exchange, something of that nature) to operate a BTC exchange, we'd come flocking.

All of the "fear of the unknown" type comments aren't particularly accurate about why wall street isn't investing bigtime in BTC yet. Wall Street will invest in pretty much any asset as long as the asset provides appropriate levels of risk adjusted returns -- certain assets are clearly far more risky, however, if the returns are sufficient for that level of risk, and that type of investor is able to stomach that risk, they'll happily invest. Imho, BTC has a track record long enough at this point with returns high enough to make it an interesting risky investment for many many institutional investors -- aka, the returns aren't the problem. For example, ask anyone who trades long-dated far-out-of-the-money options how they feel about risky investments. In my opinion, the reliable, safe infrastructure simply isn't there yet to get institutional investors to feel comfortable trading BTC -- it's too much the wild west, with small fly-by-night companies (gox, btc-e, etc) having large market share in the exchange markets.

Just my $0.02.

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March 11, 2014, 11:44:35 PM
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Is there any online broker for futures/stocks who accepts Bitcoin? I noticed that TorBroker is still alive, but I'm thinking about something more transparent.
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March 12, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
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I'm pretty sure that the ones who want in are gradually building their positions as we speak, while the price is nice and low. No need to drive it up just yet, just keep loading up until the opportune moment. Then see how the market responds to the shortage of available coins now that loads of them are tied up in cold storage waiting for $10,000+
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March 12, 2014, 02:05:03 AM
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http://www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/
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March 12, 2014, 02:31:30 AM
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I noticed people want their cake and eat it too, although we're preaching to the choir at the moment.

You want wall street money to pour in. But you don't want regulations or oversight. You hate 'DA MAN', but like cunts run crying and bitching to your lawyer/cop/judge/whoever'syourmother or anyone with enough free time to listen when you get fucked over by exact same things you preach.

Regulations and greater 'official' investment, or low-balled and relatively slower growth. Your choice.

Cryptocurrency has a place in this world. The cryptojesus wannabes will be left in the dust bin of history as a good example of joke-of-a-wannbe-spoiled-revolutionaries produced by this generation. Or 'accidentally' get involved in money laundering and drug business, winding up under criminal investigation.

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March 12, 2014, 03:47:29 AM
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I noticed people want their cake and eat it too, although we're preaching to the choir at the moment.

You want wall street money to pour in. But you don't want regulations or oversight. You hate 'DA MAN', but like cunts run crying and bitching to your lawyer/cop/judge/whoever'syourmother or anyone with enough free time to listen when you get fucked over by exact same things you preach.

Regulations and greater 'official' investment, or low-balled and relatively slower growth. Your choice.

Cryptocurrency has a place in this world. The cryptojesus wannabes will be left in the dust bin of history as a good example of joke-of-a-wannbe-spoiled-revolutionaries produced by this generation. Or 'accidentally' get involved in money laundering and drug business, winding up under criminal investigation.



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March 12, 2014, 04:13:25 AM
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How come communist country like China massivelly jumped in on the bitcoin wagon already and modern and democratic country like US is still (mostly) taking their sweet time?

Maybe because they are totally into gambling. Any casino in proximity to chinese population is always full.

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March 12, 2014, 04:23:41 AM
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HoneyPot has a hard time discerning between bringing thieves and fraudsters to justice, as opposed to restrictions before the fact that merely trod upon the liberty to act in an unfettered manner, tempered only by the equal rights of others.

Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.

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March 12, 2014, 04:24:01 AM
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  • Bitcoiners are generally highly intelligent


This was my opinion until I started posting here regularly



I think the average age of people posting here has dropped drastically in the past few months. Bitcoin is booming and lots of newcomers. I mean many forum members even bought the Dorian Nakamoto story, believing a mainstream journalist. They have also changed the rules so that new members can post immediately in the main sections of the forum. I think this is a bad idea.

And in order to connect to the subject; a "boring" forum that doesn't let newbies post gave Bitcoin a better image. I think Bitcoin is going through a year when much of the unprofessionalism will be weeded out from the Bitcoin community. But it will look ugly until we're done with this process.

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