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December 25, 2019, 06:56:51 AM
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AIs given enough training time will always come in the lead as they are less prone to making errors and have tons of experience on their back. I believe there will be no game in which humans will come out top. AIs will always take the lead.

I agree.  Just wanted to point out - AIs will not make any errors - they will act as programmed, and if they do something wrong, it's because we made an error programming it.

This is why manual drive cars will be gone before 2050.  If a car makes a mistake, a programming fix will make sure it never happens again.  Humans make the same mistakes over and over no matter what they learn.

How long until AIs can solve modern captchas anyway?  A year?  Two?

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December 25, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
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I agree.  Just wanted to point out - AIs will not make any errors - they will act as programmed, and if they do something wrong, it's because we made an error programming it.

What I meant by "errors" is that the AI at the end of the day relies on the Operating system, Sensors, etc. These can often fail but the failure of these is often placed upon failure of the AI itself. Besides that, the whole concept of AI is that they have incomparable experience in different situations which may arise. I do agree with you that if AI was trained on "bad" inputs/variables it will fail because of Human failure but not the failure of itself. E.g Never training a Driving AI on Icy roads and then expecting it to nail the driving is a bit of stretch.

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This is why manual drive cars will be gone before 2050.  If a car makes a mistake, a programming fix will make sure it never happens again.  Humans make the same mistakes over and over no matter what they learn.

Tesla's are the future its just a matter of time before the transition is made.

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How long until AIs can solve modern captchas anyway?  A year?  Two?

You know what's funny. The captchas we are solving today are actually being used to train the AIs, So these do exist already if technically speaking but they are few in number and not for public use just yet...
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December 26, 2019, 01:09:46 PM
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AIs given enough training time will always come in the lead as they are less prone to making errors and have tons of experience on their back. I believe there will be no game in which humans will come out top. AIs will always take the lead.

I agree.  Just wanted to point out - AIs will not make any errors - they will act as programmed, and if they do something wrong, it's because we made an error programming it.

This is why manual drive cars will be gone before 2050.  If a car makes a mistake, a programming fix will make sure it never happens again.  Humans make the same mistakes over and over no matter what they learn.

How long until AIs can solve modern captchas anyway?  A year?  Two?

I totally disagree with the captcha thing. Google has it's noRecaptcha v3 that doesn't require any human intervention to solve a captcha, it just intercepts user behaviour and analyzes it to determine whetever its a bot or a human, so in that sense someone plugin in an automatic software to the website I would discard that option.

My concern is that you could indeed just go to a checkers solver website, paste the current board state, solve it and then just "copy and paste" the moves, that would indeed be something that I couldn't know.

I was thinking of the possibility to check whetever the user always does the perfect move, but then I have another problem, could it just be that someone really experienced can hit 10x times the perfect move in a row? or is it because he is using some assistance.

And te thing with driving cars is a bit offtopic, but, you an't "fix" a mistake on an AI, what you can do is train them with thousands of datasets. And I will say, they won't be perfect and never be, there are thousands of billions of combinations of real life situations an AI can't be trained because peope working on that just don't have that large set of real life combinations, what indeed will happen is as people drive these cars, they learn, and learn, but that's something but will take years to perfection, so no, automatic cars won't be perfect, and it will take time to be perfect, if they can get at that point.

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December 26, 2019, 04:07:38 PM
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could it just be that someone really experienced can hit 10x times the perfect move in a row?
Absolutely, particularly when you are down to a few pieces left on the board and there aren't that many available moves. It could also be that a user could make several good-but-not-perfect moves, as dictated to by their computer software, to aid in avoiding being detected as cheating. Although the perfect set of moves will always win against a human, a good set of moves will still win almost all the time (certainly enough to turn a huge profit), while being significantly harder to detect.
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