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November 28, 2019, 06:24:05 PM
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How will these 2 week pause on deposit/withdrawal will affect Upbit exchange? I guess people will run from it as soon as it will be possible.

These 342,000 ETH - are these users funds or this ethereum was just on the balance of the exchange? If first - is exchange planning to repay losses to users?

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November 28, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
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How will these 2 week pause on deposit/withdrawal will affect Upbit exchange? I guess people will run from it as soon as it will be possible.

These 342,000 ETH - are these users funds or this ethereum was just on the balance of the exchange? If first - is exchange planning to repay losses to users?
I believe Upbit has said they are going to cover the losses out of their own money. Based on the high ratio of the value of the stolen coin to the estimated daily earnings of the exchange, I am suspicious of their ability to do this.

I would consider it more likely they will use the two week delay to try to get their customers less interested in withdrawing ether in masse, and operate as an insolvent exchange until they can either earn their way out of the hole, seize coin from certain customers under shady circumstances, or somehow recover the coin. 
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November 28, 2019, 07:56:55 PM
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The ETH is off to Huobi according to that. How many instances of stolen crypto being frozen and returned by exchanges have there been? You rarely seem to hear much about it.
I'd assume in many cases that the money is never returned. A lot probably depends on how quickly the attacker moves, since exchanges don't have the right to indefinitely freeze customer assets. That's why Binance says they'll only freeze funds for up to 24 hours -- by which time there must be a filed police report and law enforcement officials working with the exchange. After that, they release the funds.

I always wonder is this situation if this ain't a double-edged sword.

Of course, it's all nice that the funds are frozen and returned to the exchange but I can't shake the feeling we're toying around a Pandora's box that will ultimately lead to abuse, frozen assets and addresses and users tagged just because of a suspicion that funds from a hack might be in their possession. This is a world where everything can happen and is not beyond the realm of possibilities that small exchanges might claim hacks just so they could screw up some customers which they've lost anyhow.

As for binance, it's just the usual theater play where they try to pose as the good guys knowing all too well they are full of hacked and stolen funds and the only reason a lot of people stick with them is the no KYC below 2 BTC limit.

I believe Upbit has said they are going to cover the losses out of their own money. Based on the high ratio of the value of the stolen coin to the estimated daily earnings of the exchange, I am suspicious of their ability to do this.

Upbit might not be able to reimburse, but the ones running it are.
Their parent company is Kakao, and it was evaluated ar 10 billion before the merger, adding on top the new financial project and others, they would probably be close to 15b.
50 million is peanuts considering they are also running a bank, how would not be able to pay back deposits for them?


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November 28, 2019, 10:52:00 PM
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If my memory serves me right, this is not the first time that Upbit was hacked. Or it was targeted by the North Koreans in the past, so I'm sure they should have known better. Anyways, there are reports surfacing that there are some sort of Signs Point to Inside Job in Upbit Crypto Exchange Hack, Says Commentator.

https://twitter.com/iamjosephyoung/status/1199625442312908801?s=20

It's possible the attacker had previously compromised the hot wallets and was just waiting to maximize the booty. Upbit making cold storage transfers would have forced him to act.

Young is arguing an employee took advantage of the timing, but I really don't understand how it would have helped.

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November 29, 2019, 06:48:12 AM
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It's yet another sad event that has occured in the crypto industry which is further going to frustrate prices of currencies for a while. I don't know why they had so much money on their hot wallet in the first place. I think other exchanges need to learn something from this series of hack that occurs in this space.
Does anybody knows whether the management team of Upbit has announced if they are going to refund users of their funds?

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November 29, 2019, 11:35:16 PM
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Ok there's some movement already:



https://twitter.com/chiachih_wu/status/1200336594022141952

So the hackers is breaking it up into smaller amount and it seems moving to HuobiGlobal according to that tweet.

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November 30, 2019, 09:07:29 PM
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Ok there's some movement already:



https://twitter.com/chiachih_wu/status/1200336594022141952

So the hackers is breaking it up into smaller amount and it seems moving to HuobiGlobal according to that tweet.

If you look closer, the transactions to Huobi (and also Binance) were just dust transactions. The hacker was probably just testing to see if/when the exchanges froze the accounts.

So far, PeckShield has identified 5 ETH that flowed into a "smaller exchange platform." That's it.

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