Have you tried explaining provable fairness to old-school gamblers?

[peter0425]

I did to a friend and he said how complicated systems are there just to make sure you can gamble with a peace of mind? wow! He said when he gambled he knew the other side was rigging and it was providing him with an extra thrill and fun to which I said how and he said he was testing his luck against the rigging lol. So yeah

Some other gamblers doesn't really care about the fairness of the site since they are aiming to have a adrenaline rush upon betting and I know some of my friends doing that but they still manage their bankrolls, but I still advise them not to do this nor play with that sites frequently since it could rigged them up until their wallet is empty.

and some gamblers don't really understand this "Fairness" thing in Gambling sites(even in real life gambling) becaause all they know is Bet,Win or Lose and that is what matters to them.

but at least advice old school gamblers about this as what i am doing to my friends specially those new to Online gambling as they have no Big idea on whats this all about.

[alani123]

Do you have any experience trying to explain the virtues of provable fairness to your friends? To be honest, I don't have any other friends that gamble through commercial services so I don't have much experience. But I'd like to know if anyone else has achieved a change of faith with their friends.

The only friends into gambling I have are into online gambling already, so they're familiar with the concept and don't require an explanation. I think that online gambling is a much safer space than the traditional one, and only one of the reasons for that is provably fair gambling that means that unlike in physical casinos no cheating is possible here. Another reason is that you don't get to people who lose or win money (in person), so it allows avoiding face-to-face conflicts between the winner and the loser. Moreover, casinos are traditionally considered a place full of influential criminals, and mingling with those also doesn't sound like a good idea. I feel alright trying out various online casinos, but I would never even walk into a real one.

My first question here, is how you get friends that are in crypto and online gambling in the first place? The very few people I have stumbled upon that knew about crypto dice (arguably the most well k own form of gambling with crypto) were also passionate IRL gamblers and would go in a casino any chance they had.

[wozzek23]

I my self would admit that I am not able to technically understand how to verify hashes on the provably fair system and how it actually works. I won't bother explaining something that I don't fully understand to other people. Honestly, I mostly depend on the reviews on the platform before trying to gamble on it.

Same here, I know how to verify bets though but that is by entering a hash to some verification website and they will tell me if the roll was correct but technically I don't know how to verify it manually. There are tools online you can use to verify bets like me but this is one of the reasons I mainly bet on sports and avoid dice because there have been so many cases of dice scams that I don't even understand whom to trust and whom not to.

I tried to introduce a few friends to online betting and dice too but always asked them to gamble at their own risk and now my friends too like my usually bet on sports and e-sports on dota and league of legends. I would never explain something to a friend or anyone which I am not sure how to do it myself manually.

[darewaller]

They won't do into details that is very complicated for them, maybe they will just look at the site's reputation, if there are a lot of gamblers playing without complaints, then they'll go play with the site. Nowadays, with the advent of internet, it's not hard to educate the old school gamblers, if they are interested to know, there's a youtube video that would explain about provably fair.

Actually these verification no matter how experienced we are still sometimes trick users, I mean recall what happened with dicebitco.in they were scamming users since a long time  and they were caught only after a player was brutally getting losing streaks of 10 and he started to suspect there is something wrong happening.You may find all details here, read a few posts around this one and you will know the story: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8717762#msg8717762

By the way, if you are making lower number of bets its possible to verify each bet but if you make bulk number of bets it is usually impossible to verify them all, I am talking about bets where we start automated betting at 500-1000 satoshi minimum bet

[Naida_BR]

I haven't tried to explain provable fairness to old school gamblers.
The reason is because they simply cannot understand it the same way they cannot understand the blockchain technology.
If anyone is into new technological advances then they are going to know by themselves about such terms.

[imstillthebest]

I haven't tried to explain provable fairness to old school gamblers.
The reason is because they simply cannot understand it the same way they cannot understand the blockchain technology.
If anyone is into new technological advances then they are going to know by themselves about such terms.

there are people that know what is blockchain but they dont gamble  . i also think that blockchain tech is not related to gambling or to provably fair  but blockhain is fair or transparent  . 

you havent tried to explain it to them but you already came up with your own conclusion  . i think that is not right , we shouldnt act or think that way   .  if we are willing to educate or teach someone , we should approach them with a clear mind and we should also accept if what will be the result of it  .

[Harlot]

Introduce Bitcoin by way of crypto gambling? Why not? After all Bitcoin is a digital currency and it has proven all through out these years that it has multiple purposes from being a money to be able to trade it and earn some profit. People are already hook with playing on a crypto gambling site as it is more convenient to them and is easily accessible compared to a traditional casino where you actually  need to visit before you bet. It might be a tough sell to them but once they understand the process I think it will be easier for them to join in.

[alani123]

I haven't tried to explain provable fairness to old school gamblers.
The reason is because they simply cannot understand it the same way they cannot understand the blockchain technology.
If anyone is into new technological advances then they are going to know by themselves about such terms.

there are people that know what is blockchain but they dont gamble  . i also think that blockchain tech is not related to gambling or to provably fair  but blockhain is fair or transparent  . 

you havent tried to explain it to them but you already came up with your own conclusion  . i think that is not right , we shouldnt act or think that way   .  if we are willing to educate or teach someone , we should approach them with a clear mind and we should also accept if what will be the result of it  .

If you yourself don't know how to verify provable fairness, the existence of such technology means that every bet is verifiable by anyone. If you don't to it yourself means that you still trust that it works. But it's much better than verification by third parties. If let's say the casino has a seal from a trusted authority, the tests only happened in one time at a certain point for their games. This is also trust based but much worse than having every bet at any point as provable fair. With fair technology, anyone COULD verify their bets if they ever felt the need to. Everything else is pointless in comparison.

[bitbunnny]

This is not an easy task and to be honest I stopped trying. Old school gamblers have their own world and their own rules so just a few of them are ready to accept the concept of crypto gambling. For some it's even hard to use online platforms for traditional gambling.
However, sone of them are flexible enough to listen and learn so don't give up immediately.

[Ucy]

From the little understanding of Provable fair, I think it involves Transparency and data reliability. One of the simplest ways to create a provable fair-like solution in physical world is through open source development of hardware/software, community participation in a casino, transparency etc. Am trying to understand the best analogy for the provable fair mechanism in Crypto-based gambling.. The analogy will best explain things to your friends and probably help them appreciate its importance.

An example of provable fairness in physical world is probably voters holding copies of election results rather than trusting the election officials not to change the results


From the little understanding of Provable fair, I think it involves Transparency and data reliability. One of the simplest ways to create a provable fair-like solution in physical world is through open source development of hardware/software, community participation in a casino, transparency etc. Am trying to understand the best analogy for the provable fair mechanism in Crypto-based gambling.. The analogy will help explain things to your friends and probably help them appreciate its importance.

An example of provable fairness in physical world is probably voters holding copies of election results rather than trusting the election officials not to change the results

[Distinctin]

This seems like a complicated thing to explain to them since they might think that online games can be cheated, but actually I haven't meet one who are interested in online games like within the family and I doubt they'll ask question pertaining to "provable fairness " when they are not online gamblers.

[peter0425]

This seems like a complicated thing to explain to them since they might think that online games can be cheated, but actually I haven't meet one who are interested in online games like within the family and I doubt they'll ask question pertaining to "provable fairness " when they are not online gamblers.

yeah and they tend to believe seeing actual game and hand of the dealer than waiting for computer result that for sure they will think that can be cheated.
it will be harder for them to understand and leave their old ways of betting,like my Grandma that still a lover of lottery each day for sure she will buy a ticket if there is a draw.

[michellee]

This seems like a complicated thing to explain to them since they might think that online games can be cheated, but actually I haven't meet one who are interested in online games like within the family and I doubt they'll ask question pertaining to "provable fairness " when they are not online gamblers.

They can think like that, but we never know until we meet them and try to explain. But I won't try to explain the online gambling that I know to them because I know that will be hard for them to accept the information because some of them will not know how the life on the internet and they will think that is not impossible to place the bets by online. Some people in real life cannot imagine about what is on the internet, but they never try to check by themselves, so sometimes, we will feel difficult to explain, not just about gambling but about another thing.

[bitgolden]

I have and it was one of the easiest things I have done in my life. What you guys are doing wrong is explaining them all the details of what is provably fair and how it works. I never do that because when you go into detail they will have more detailed questions as well and you may not know the answers to those questions which is why I try to explain to them as simple as it gets.

I just simply tell them there is a p2p proof of what goes around and no one person has control over it so even if  one person wants to scam you, they can't because technology prohibits that option. If you tell people like this, or even find a simpler way, just explain that way and you will see that they won't have too much questions and simply agrees.

[alani123]

I have and it was one of the easiest things I have done in my life. What you guys are doing wrong is explaining them all the details of what is provably fair and how it works. I never do that because when you go into detail they will have more detailed questions as well and you may not know the answers to those questions which is why I try to explain to them as simple as it gets.

I just simply tell them there is a p2p proof of what goes around and no one person has control over it so even if  one person wants to scam you, they can't because technology prohibits that option. If you tell people like this, or even find a simpler way, just explain that way and you will see that they won't have too much questions and simply agrees.

This brings up another question: What's the best way to explain what provably fair gambling is? Astonishingly, there's no video as intuitive like the ones created by weusecoins . It's surprising to me that nobody has worked on making an easy to understand explanation, not even casinos. Perhaps crypto gambling businesses would rather remain underground with their existing userbase?! Who knows. I think the possibility of somebody to understand the advantages of provable fairness are also based on their propensity to understand trust-based structures. If somebody can't comprehend that gambling can be done in a trustless way, or what even "trustless" means, then they have a lot more to understand other to be able to comprehend provable fairness in gambling.

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It's easy to tell other gamblers but the hardest part is to convince them. They might not trust this kind of technology easily because they think and look first of its legitimacy. And we know that scam is everywhere on the internet. They also think that they will be playing with a robot that is being manipulated. So they still stick to choose to play with other real gamblers in front of them

[Hippocrypto]

It's easy to tell other gamblers but the hardest part is to convince them. They might not trust this kind of technology easily because they think and look first of its legitimacy. And we know that scam is everywhere on the internet. They also think that they will be playing with a robot that is being manipulated. So they still stick to choose to play with other real gamblers in front of them

That's disappointing to hear words like beinf manipulated using bots, and it made me lose trust over these gambling stablishments. Online gambling usually is prone of this kind of unfair system, and personally I am preferring real world gambler who played fairly in physical betting.

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It's easy to tell other gamblers but the hardest part is to convince them. They might not trust this kind of technology easily because they think and look first of its legitimacy. And we know that scam is everywhere on the internet. They also think that they will be playing with a robot that is being manipulated. So they still stick to choose to play with other real gamblers in front of them

That's disappointing to hear words like beinf manipulated using bots, and it made me lose trust over these gambling stablishments. Online gambling usually is prone of this kind of unfair system, and personally I am preferring real world gambler who played fairly in physical betting.

But I realize then that there are possible ways for them to understand this provable fairness in the simplest introduction, we are just thinking advance that it is complicated for them to understand. Try to show or demonstrate them in live using your smartphone or laptop on how it really works. So they will have an idea and see the process, just start with the basics.

[panjul07]

I have many friends who like to play on online casinos but they do not know about what is provably fairness. Frankly speaking, I was the same as them when I started my gambling journey on online casino before I know about crypto casinos that uses provably fair system.
I have tried to tell my friends about it but it was not an easy thing to do as they have a mindset that all casinos are able to manipulate the result of the game because they do not understand about provably fair mechanism.