Will all the world hold China responsible for corona-v

[squatz1]

As an aside to this, China is currently reporting 0 new infections, which I think is bullshit. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/as-china-virus-cases-near-zero-experts-warn-of-second-wave)

LOL this is all bullshit
I absolutely do not trust China in terms of statistics about the situation - I am sure that things are much worse there
Thank you to the Party for a happy start of 2020!

I love how we all know that we cant trust China for literally anything -- think GDP stats -- but then you have some people being like "L000000K AT CHINA THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB" They're not doing a great job, they're literally fucking lying about their numbers like everyone else and they can get away with it because they control the media. If you're in China and you want to report against the government, you're going to die. That's just how that works.

US intelligence is now reporting and CONFIRMING that China lied regarding their coronavirus stats. - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says

Trump is also saying that he can't confirm if Chinas coronavirus numbers are legitimate - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-cant-confirm-chinas-coronavirus-case-numbers-amid-accusations-of-underreporting-we-really-dont-know

CHYNA CHYNA CHYNA.

[Spendulus]

As an aside to this, China is currently reporting 0 new infections, which I think is bullshit. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/as-china-virus-cases-near-zero-experts-warn-of-second-wave)

LOL this is all bullshit
I absolutely do not trust China in terms of statistics about the situation - I am sure that things are much worse there
Thank you to the Party for a happy start of 2020!

I love how we all know that we cant trust China for literally anything -- think GDP stats -- but then you have some people being like "L000000K AT CHINA THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB" They're not doing a great job, they're literally fucking lying about their numbers ....

One way to approach understanding this is to look at how regions of Russia reported their progress during the Cold War on their "Five Year Plans". Half lies all the way up the chain of command.

So rather than thinking the highest levels of China were lying to you (maybe they were, maybe they were not) you can absolutely count on those in charge of various towns and villages fudging the numbers they were sending upstream.

Another complicating factor is that culturally, Chinese don't go to doctors until they are practically fixing to die. A LOT of them are into herbal medicine, or herbal first, Western second. And this particular disease, I don't think it's very forgiving if you hit the hospital about day 10 of an infection.

Just some comments, for what they are worth...

[franky1]

for all to know.. timeline of events
from hindsight prospective
first patient reported feeling mildly bad on december 10th and went to a local clinic for normal flu meds and went back to work
(at this point no one knew how bad it was, no alarm needed raising)

he was hospitalised on december18th because it got worse for him and having breathing issues
(at this point no one knew how bad it was(transmittable/containable), no alarm needed raising)

it wasnt for another 3 weeks where other patients came into hospital with similar issues before they realised it was infectious/transmittable and sever for them to then raise the alarm on january 9th

any raising the alarm before that would have just possibly been causing panic before actually knowing.
i think 3 weeks from first hospitalisation till world knowing is good timing.

.. however..
UK/US knew january 9th..
yet UK/US were still even in march (8+ weeks later) still trying to say to their citizens if they live in another country or in china, come back to home countries.
it was actually america that brought it back to america by chartering 'repatriation' flights(same with UK)

also. in its first week of march UK/america have still not even got stock/space for having excess ICU beds and equipment.
also. in its first week of march UK/america have still not even asked manufacturers to make more ventilators

ok. so its now april and still hospitals want more stock. more support.

all UK/US/china could do was delay the spread happening all in one go of 100% of people in 2 months. which even with a 1% more than mild severity. would be alot of resourses needed.

this self isolation is not to cure corona or to immunise the masses magically in their own home. its to delay the spread before letting people go out.

i just find it a shame that china was prepped in february and is now in the ready to accept more patients stage. but UK/US are still not ready 2 months later

if you think that US/UK should blame china for US/UK 2 month delay. then thats just silly.
asfor explaining the 3 weeks of december 18th-january 10th..
well no one knew in the initial week if it was food contamination. or touch contact spreading virus. nor realising if it was just affecting a couple people or potentially more than 0.01% of people

anyway. this is just the beginning of the spread. 99% of people have not even had it yet to even know if they will just have a cough or need a hospital.. yep just because your at home now self isolating to not get it now. doesnt make you immune for the future.

[GazetaBitcoin]

I just heard that an US lawyer sued China for creating thus coronavirus as a biological weapon and asking for 20 trillions USD - https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/covid-19-biological-weapon-alleges-us-lawyer-sued-china. The news can be found on several websites.

20 trillions USD means 20.000 billions USD!!!

If this is true, I'm curious about the following:
- which judge would have the guts to analyze these claims
- if the lawyer wins, how will he convince China to pay him this amount.

After all, is just a man suing a nation. Is not a trial between USA and China, nor UN or EU against China. If a country / UN / EU would win such a trial, they could force China to pay somehow. Or, at least, to issue severe penalties for China in case China would not want to pay. But a man?! What can a man do to force China to pay him 20 trillions, in case he would win this trial?!

[franky1]

After all, is just a man sueing a nation. Is not a trial between USA and China, nor UN or EU against China. If a country / UN / EU would win such a trial, they could force China to pay somehow. Or, at least, to issue severe penalties for China in case China would not want to pay. But a man?! What can a man do to force China to pay him 20 trillions, in case he would win this trial?!

many lawyers do random lawsuits for huge amounts all the time. most never go anywhere

there will however be what is known as a public inquiry. which is were using hindsight everyone can learn from the past. and also find the mistakes.
work out if some mistakes were excusable (caution vs over reaction) and which mistakes are malpractice
after that. those affected by any malpractice stuff or anything. can then take it to court.

but for now anyone can file a claim for anything and any amount.. it does not mean things will en up in a guaranteed trial.

im not going to go into the ridiculous idea of that guys suit.
but if it had merit al local court he can escalate it to supreme, and then after that international court. where 'sanctions' can be put on a country

but these kind of silly ambulance chaser lawyers dont follow through or plan to. they just hope the other side pays up a small 1% just to go away

[tvbcof]

I just heared that an US lawyer sued China for creating thus coronavirus as a biological weapon and asking for 20 trillions USD - https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/covid-19-biological-weapon-alleges-us-lawyer-sued-china. The news can be found on several websites.

20 trillions USD means 20.000 billions USD!!!
...

I'm kind of expecting the likes of Trump and Pompeo to use this excuse to welsh on paying off the treasuries or whatever that China bought and to appropriate any property and resources owned by Chinese nationals and Chinese firms both in the United States, and probably in other countries as well.  Africa for instance.

Probably these two won't even bother to 'bring the spoils' to the U.S..  They'll likely just hand it over to Israel right away.  Because Holocaust.

[BADecker]

Maybe Elon Musk started Coronavirus. Why would he do this? To get people used to wearing facemasks, so that they could adapt to living on Mars easier.


Here We Go Again: China Puts County On Lockdown After New Corona Cluster Emerges

Having lied for the past two months about the severity and the extent of coronavirus pandemic which its virologists started in Wuhan, eager to convey the message that the crisis "under control" just so people return to work, full of hope and enthusiasm, rejoicing at the surge in China's just as fabricated PMI numbers, and willing to work their asses off (with Beijing generously willing to risk everyone's lives as the alternative is a complete collapse in China's economy) earlier today the US finally cracked down on the relentless barrage of Chinese lies, when US intelligence accused China of deliberately lying about its coronavirus figures.

Then, in a miraculous coincidence, just moments later Reuters reported that a county in central China's Henan province announced on Wednesday it had "virtually banned all outbound movement of people, following several cases of coronavirus infection in the area."

According to a post on its social media account, Jia county - which has a population of about 600,000 - said that no one can travel out of Jia county without proper authorization. Additionally, residents are not allowed to leave their homes for work unless they have clearance to do so.

[coins4commies]

China is now saving lives in NYC and all around the world.

https://apnews.com/24b8b30cbc11c43a19e7e7aff69e4044
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-doctors-and-supplies-arrive-in-italy-11584564673

[Gyfts]

China has too much economic leverage over the world for proper retaliation. The US already owes so much of their manufacturing industries to China so it's tough to go against a country that has your economy at it's grip. They're also taking advantage of the world wide pandemic and are conducting military exercises in the South China sea knowing that countries are using resources to fight coronavirus and aren't focused on military presence. China should absolutely pay for helping contribute to the worst pandemic in modern history and I imagine politicians are going to talk about retaliating against them and will proceed to do nothing, like usual.

China is now saving lives in NYC and all around the world.

https://apnews.com/24b8b30cbc11c43a19e7e7aff69e4044
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-doctors-and-supplies-arrive-in-italy-11584564673

They literally caused this. They aren't saving lives at all and if they weren't a communist shit hole, they could have prevented a large chunk of the damages thus far. Donating ventilators is the least they could do.

[TECSHARE]

I'm kind of expecting the likes of Trump and Pompeo to use this excuse to welsh on paying off the treasuries or whatever that China bought and to appropriate any property and resources owned by Chinese nationals and Chinese firms both in the United States, and probably in other countries as well.  Africa for instance.

Probably these two won't even bother to 'bring the spoils' to the U.S..  They'll likely just hand it over to Israel right away.  Because Holocaust.

You mean kind of like how China has been doing daily for decades to foreign investors among others?

China has too much economic leverage over the world for proper retaliation. The US already owes so much of their manufacturing industries to China so it's tough to go against a country that has your economy at it's grip. They're also taking advantage of the world wide pandemic and are conducting military exercises in the South China sea knowing that countries are using resources to fight coronavirus and aren't focused on military presence. China should absolutely pay for helping contribute to the worst pandemic in modern history and I imagine politicians are going to talk about retaliating against them and will proceed to do nothing, like usual.

China is now saving lives in NYC and all around the world.

https://apnews.com/24b8b30cbc11c43a19e7e7aff69e4044
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-doctors-and-supplies-arrive-in-italy-11584564673

They literally caused this. They aren't saving lives at all and if they weren't a communist shit hole, they could have prevented a large chunk of the damages thus far. Donating ventilators is the least they could do.

YES. THIS. This is exactly why I suspect they were responsible for this outbreak and it was intentional. This allows them to throw a wrench in the world economy and delay the world becoming independent of them at a time when the cracks are showing in their own economy, they are losing control of the population domestically, and their international facade is falling. This is China making a preemptive strike signalling the beginning open warfare.