Newbies/Jr.Members and the Investigation board.

[TheBeardedBaby]

What happens when a newbie/jr.member have some personal data of a supposed scammer and want to post it?

Often desperate people who got scammed, who have no accounts on the forum register here just with the hope they can get their funds back. They do a lot of research off the forum and sometimes the information they got it is sensitive but they have no access to Investigation board.
What happens then, shall we punish the newbie for posting sensitive info which is desperately trying to do everything possible to cover, or let it be like it is now? Gaining access to everyone to the Investigation board is also not a solution?

Fresh example >

It is sad to hear that you have deposited a big amount in a scam exchange. I don't know how many more people like you have lost their funds in this exchange. I have seen this happen before, people deposit in any exchange without checking anything, as a result of which they later fall in to scams. I hope people will be stay away from such exchanges. Scammers always try to come up with new ideas so that they can easily scam.

I think in this case localcoin.is didn't set out to scam from the start, I reckon he genuinely thought he could clone bitshares and make a bunch of money. I think he decided to scam / exit scam when he realised after over a year that he just wasn't going to make any money.

The project lead Dmitry Khorushko is a real person and I am working to hold him personally accountable.

Dmitry Khorushko face picture:
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[Upgrade00]

Newbies/Jr member can create flags against an entity, if they have a forum account.
My suggestion would be that they create a scam accusation flag, putting relevant information in the topic and including that they have personal information (but not posting them). A higher ranking member who supports the flag can then choose to create a thread on investigation board and include those details.

Theymos stated that two threads can be created in some scam cases;

From now on, it's probably a good idea to create two threads for big scammers: one in Scam Accusations and one in Investigations.

[Jawhead999]

I think report to moderator can be the best choice about this case, but when his post get deleted and he still post it again. Then, we can suggest to temporary banned to that's account

Yup, it's true... We shouldn't post personal information here

1. Personal information must be confined to the new "investigations" board (under Scam Accusations), which is only visible to Members and above. Personal information is defined as anything which links a user's online identity (username, email, etc.) to their meatspace identity, excluding links that the person himself has posted. It is not allowed to post somebody's personal information in any other public place, including in signatures.

Also we shouldn't to archiving any thread regarding any personal information

[20kevin20]

Well, this is a pretty sensible debate.

I believe that personal information of a supposed scammer should not be posted anywhere on the forum. If I was to ever be falsely accused of scamming someone, I would not be happy at all with someone revealing my personal data on a forum I've been using for years.

On the other hand, it makes me wonder if it'd be helpful considering there may be members out here willing to take legal action against the respective entity.

If someone is interested to do a background search of a company/individual they believe is a scammer, there are probably better ways such as lawsuits where they could show their findings and proofs of being scammed. Not on this forum. I remember theymos has been doxxed by a member on here and that is not okay (not sure if it's even legal to doxx someone).

I personally think that bans, ignore buttons, the Scam Accusations board, our members and moderators are more than enough to stop an entity from scamming on this forum and preventing as much as possible our members and visitors from being scammed even outside the forum.

But doxxing is not okay at all, especially when it's all about a supposed scammer.

[Lafu]

What happens when a newbie/jr.member have some personal data of a supposed scammer and want to post it?

If the Scammer has taken a large Amount or have done some real fraud i would doing the same as Upgrade00 has written !
Also it depends if newbie/jr.member User would take this fraud to the court to get back his funds.
Personal details if there is a clear case of fraud should be not allowed !
But i guess it depends on the case the Scammer has done !
Normally it should be enough if these details are given to the police, and updates are made here in the forum what happened.

Just my 2 cents

[pugman]

I mean I see four ways on how this could be possibly go:

1. The newbie/Jr. Member shares the information on PM with someone who can post on the investigation board on behalf of the user.
(or)
2. The newbie tries to get this dealt with, but gets no luck for accessing the Investigation Section, and eventually gives up and leaves the forum.
(or)
3. The newbie posts his information on the Scam accusation board hoping that he wont get banned and that his thread will be moved to the Investigation board.
(or)
4. A new solution should allow copper members to access the investigation board regardless of their actual rank(?). 

[Timmzzy]

What happens when a newbie/jr.member have some personal data of a supposed scammer and want to post it?

Often desperate people who got scammed, who have no accounts on the forum register here just with the hope they can get their funds back. They do a lot of research off the forum and sometimes the information they got it is sensitive but they have no access to Investigation board.
What happens then, shall we punish the newbie for posting sensitive info which is desperately trying to do everything possible to cover, or let it be like it is now? Gaining access to everyone to the Investigation board is also not a solution?

Fresh example >

It is sad to hear that you have deposited a big amount in a scam exchange. I don't know how many more people like you have lost their funds in this exchange. I have seen this happen before, people deposit in any exchange without checking anything, as a result of which they later fall in to scams. I hope people will be stay away from such exchanges. Scammers always try to come up with new ideas so that they can easily scam.

I think in this case localcoin.is didn't set out to scam from the start, I reckon he genuinely thought he could clone bitshares and make a bunch of money. I think he decided to scam / exit scam when he realised after over a year that he just wasn't going to make any money.

The project lead Dmitry Khorushko is a real person and I am working to hold him personally accountable.

Dmitry Khorushko face picture:
---image removed---

Permit me to say that most of this scammers we have around us is not only from the forum, let's say most projects on this forums their team workers do take most hunters information to scam newbies who are just getting in the crypto atmosphere and secondly Exchangers we share our personal information with. I will urge people to do proper investigation before Letting Go! Of your private or personal information online.

[Timelord2067]

What happens when a newbie/jr.member have some personal data of a supposed scammer and want to post it?

In the past I've been contacted with information that is sound.  I've posted it on their behalf, then I copped flack.

Let them post it themselves.