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March 20, 2020, 10:31:42 PM
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Now the problem is, the summer, I will want to keep my windows shut. From the Covid 19.
And I need an air conditioner, that works without an open window. So if we break down the Hot side and cold side, of heat transfer.

Is it possible to combine the following technologies together.

1) Thermal electric Module, Cold Side and a Hot side.



2) Wireless Charging



Concept:



Basically break down the hot and cold side of the unit, and stick the hot unit outside, and cold unit inside, with wireless transfer between each other.
Of the electrons transferred wirelessly, the unit is basically connected, but via a magnetic field.

Would this theoretically work?





Wireless Resonant Energy Link (WREL)





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I'm not a fan of this nor know how to execute things like this and I don't understand the image about if it will work theoretically. But is this really working or you have a sample video of this experiment?



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March 21, 2020, 12:40:43 AM
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Recently I saw a video related to portable under vest air conditioner from sony which runs under battery power, so this is how these things are working?

I don't know how effective this is going to be because to condition air it needs lot of electric power so running with small powered batteries may not bring any realistic results.
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March 21, 2020, 01:05:01 AM
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Now the problem is, the summer, I will want to keep my windows shut. From the Covid 19.
And I need an air conditioner, that works without an open window. So if we break down the Hot side and cold side, of heat transfer.

When the AC is on, air pressure will stop any inward flow.    It would be simpler to invent something that closes the window/hole when the AC is off. 

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March 21, 2020, 01:38:53 AM
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The heat transfer would be through the wires that connect the two parts of your AC. The amount of transfer would be too small to do any good.

Some tiny refrigerators use electronic cooling that is non-magnetic. It uses transistors or simple thermocouple technology. It isn't very efficient. Freezers almost don't work at all.

Thermoelectric refrigeration systems are unique from the three other types of refrigeration in that no refrigerant or water is used. These systems use an electric current and a thermocouple.

A thermocouple is made up of two different metal wires that are united at both ends. Insulation separates the rest of the wires from each other. When the current is directed on the thermocouple, one end will become hot and the other cool.

Reversing the current’s direction has the effect of swapping the cold and hot junctions. The hot end will typically be placed outside of the area to be cooled with a heat sink attached to it to keep it the same temperature as the surrounding air.

The cold side, which is below room temperature, is placed in the area to be cooled, attracting heat out of the air.[7]

This type of refrigeration is generally used for small cooling loads that can be difficult to access, such as electronic systems.[1


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Wireless Resonant Energy Link (WREL)

Combine with the concept posted in the 1st post.




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March 21, 2020, 07:48:25 AM
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So much analysis for nothing.
There are already wireless air conditioning systems in the market that you can control it via your smartphone.
Smart devices are here a lot of time before and much easier to be used than ever.
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So much analysis for nothing.
There are already wireless air conditioning systems in the market that you can control it via your smartphone.
Smart devices are here a lot of time before and much easier to be used than ever.

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Now the problem is, the summer, I will want to keep my windows shut. From the Covid 19.
And I need an air conditioner, that works without an open window. So if we break down the Hot side and cold side, of heat transfer.

When the AC is on, air pressure will stop any inward flow.    It would be simpler to invent something that closes the window/hole when the AC is off. 

Not that complex, just create a window, in the shape of the AC, that fits around the wire/pipes as a seal. And then mount that window in.


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Basically, what you are trying to do is to transfer the heat through the magnetic field. If you can do this efficiently, you could make a fortune.

Shouldn't be all that difficult to set something up inside a styrofoam container that keeps the sides insulated enough to use thermometers to determine if there is a difference in temperature between the sides. The difference will be small, or it would have been done already. And what about safety from large doses of magnetism?

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Basically, what you are trying to do is to transfer the heat through the magnetic field. If you can do this efficiently, you could make a fortune.

Shouldn't be all that difficult to set something up inside a styrofoam container that keeps the sides insulated enough to use thermometers to determine if there is a difference in temperature between the sides. The difference will be small, or it would have been done already. And what about safety from large doses of magnetism?

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https://sensor.cs.washington.edu/WREL.html

You can get up to 100 Watts+, and that coil is small. If you scale it up from a table top hand size one, to the size of the back of an window AC, I think one can get 400-600 watts. Making it possible.

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The air from the street will get into your house anyway. I’ll tell you a secret, but it is not generated indoors, but always comes from outside. You have always breathed and will breathe the street air, and if you decide to isolate your house, then in your home ecosystem the bacteria will begin to actively proliferate, which under normal conditions will disappear through windows and doors. Still air, still water: all of them are excellent nurseries for bacteria and fungi. So with this kind of isolation, you will only make yourself worse.
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https://sensor.cs.washington.edu/WREL.html

You can get up to 100 Watts+, and that coil is small. If you scale it up from a table top hand size one, to the size of the back of an window AC, I think one can get 400-600 watts. Making it possible.

Dude, that's not how air conditioning works!

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Cooling in traditional AC systems is accomplished using the vapor-compression cycle, which uses the forced circulation and phase change of a refrigerant between gas and liquid to transfer heat.


A simple stylized diagram of the refrigeration cycle: 1) condensing coil, 2) expansion valve, 3) evaporator coil, 4) compressor
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning

You cannot have effective heat transfer over a magnetic field. What you're referring to is wireless transmission of electricity.

To achieve something like this what you are proposing, first you have to invent a whole new way of converting thermal energy into electrical energy. The most efficient way we have now is a steam-powered turbine and an electric generator. I doubt you want one these in your home. Grin And when you do that, then you don't even need the outdoor unit.




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https://sensor.cs.washington.edu/WREL.html

You can get up to 100 Watts+, and that coil is small. If you scale it up from a table top hand size one, to the size of the back of an window AC, I think one can get 400-600 watts. Making it possible.

Dude, that's not how air conditioning works!

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Cooling in traditional AC systems is accomplished using the vapor-compression cycle, which uses the forced circulation and phase change of a refrigerant between gas and liquid to transfer heat.


A simple stylized diagram of the refrigeration cycle: 1) condensing coil, 2) expansion valve, 3) evaporator coil, 4) compressor
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_conditioning

You cannot have effective heat transfer over a magnetic field. What you're referring to is wireless transmission of electricity.

To achieve something like this what you are proposing, first you have to invent a whole new way of converting thermal energy into electrical energy. The most efficient way we have now is a steam-powered turbine and an electric generator. I doubt you want one these in your home. Grin And when you do that, then you don't even need the outdoor unit.





Using an thermoelectrical module, not a vapor compression cycle.

"Thermoelectric module
A thermoelectric module is a circuit containing thermoelectric materials which generate electricity from heat directly. A thermoelectric module consists of two dissimilar thermoelectric materials joined at their ends: an n-type (with negative charge carriers), and a p-type (with positive charge carriers) semiconductor."





Anyways, I plan to build something else, that works for my situation.

A Cooler outside, with a hole drilled in, two small hole drilled through the wall. Fed with a copper hollow pipe through the two holes into the cooler, and inside, around a fan, with a pump.

I call it WC, or water conditioner. Invented a solution  Smiley





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Using an thermoelectrical module, not a vapor compression cycle.

"Thermoelectric module
A thermoelectric module is a circuit containing thermoelectric materials which generate electricity from heat directly. A thermoelectric module consists of two dissimilar thermoelectric materials joined at their ends: an n-type (with negative charge carriers), and a p-type (with positive charge carriers) semiconductor."


I said "most efficient way", not "the only way". Any idea what the efficiency of thermoelectric modules are? If you solve this problem, you'ill probably win a Nobel Prize in Physics. Grin

Anyways, I plan to build something else, that works for my situation.

A Cooler outside, with a hole drilled in, two small hole drilled through the wall. Fed with a copper hollow pipe through the two holes into the cooler, and inside, around a fan, with a pump.

I call it WC, or water conditioner. Invented a solution  Smiley

Well, that's a whole'nother ball of wax.  Cheesy
That might work. In fact, that's the basic principle of how split-system air conditioners actually work.

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The air from the street will get into your house anyway. I’ll tell you a secret, but it is not generated indoors, but always comes from outside. You have always breathed and will breathe the street air, and if you decide to isolate your house, then in your home ecosystem the bacteria will begin to actively proliferate, which under normal conditions will disappear through windows and doors. Still air, still water: all of them are excellent nurseries for bacteria and fungi. So with this kind of isolation, you will only make yourself worse.

Except I have an 99.97% HEPA Filter, I have thought everything out  Smiley

Thanks to my extreme allergy to molds, spores, dusts, I have my own internal detector, if the unit is failing, I know to replace before even the lights are on.
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So 24/7 the air is spotless clean  Wink


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I don't know it seems to me a very complex thing, have you already tried this method? it works? wireless air conditioners are more expensive than normal air conditioners?
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