Covid Pandemic Controls

[BADecker]

So you like charts and stuff. Try this one on for size. Arizona is a rather dry, hot-at-times land. Being hot and dry, there often aren't any clouds in the sky.

The 10-day forecast for the last several years, often showed rain for a day or two, say, seven days down the road. Then, as the rain-days approached, a day or two before the rains were supposed to get here, the skies were filled with high-flying jets, with long, fluffy tails, that billowed out wider and wider becoming fog-like clouds all over the sky. Then the rains would come. Throughout the summer of 2019 (and years before) this happened over and over.

Then, at the peak of Covid in March or April, 2020, the jets didn't come any longer. There were no billowing clouds followed by rains. The skies were clear every day. A long, hot, dry summer enveloped us... no clouds. And, Covid started to die off.

Then, around the beginning of October, some of the jets and their billowing tails returned, though not in the strength and numbers they had for years before. The skies became hazy again, somewhat. There still weren't any rains because there wasn't enough spraying. But guess what? Through November and December, here we have a Covid spike, again. And suddenly the spraying has seemed to have stopped, again.

The timing of Covid and the spraying is so good! "They" have found a way to easily and simply create spikes in Covid whenever they want. In Northern and wetter lands, there are enough clouds in the sky naturally, so that you can't see the spraying as easily. But check the timing, spraying on and off... Covid spikes following the spraying.

We can easily see it in Arizona if we look. What about New Mexico, Nevada, parts of California and Utah? Any chemtrail watchers in any of those States? What in the world are they really spraying?

Notice that all of this is judgment calls. We don't have the technology available to determine exactly, for sure, what anybody died of.
20% Covid, 10% heart disease, 70% hospital operations. I mean, they were in the hospital, weren't they? And that doesn't even include what the hospital people did to cover up what really happened.

No, it's maths and science, not an arbitrary pin-the-tail-on-the-cause-of-mortality.
You can work it out for yourself even if no cause of death is attributed... just look at the figures for excess mortality. 2020 has seen far far more deaths than usual. Something new is killing people. You can see from the chart below that the trend coincides with the Covid-19 pandemic. And if you go to the link, you can select other countries too, and see the same pattern repeated around the world.


https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[Cnut237]

the jets

The common factor around the globe that caused the dramatic reduction in Covid cases from around April isn't 'the jets'. Consider instead lockdowns, social distancing, contact tracing, etc. Go to the link below, and press the play button. This will show you the extent to which each nation took action to prevent the spread, and when they took action. Compare your findings to the other charts on that site, including the one in the post you quoted. You can even download the source data.


https://ourworldindata.org/policy-responses-covid

[BADecker]

the jets

The common factor around the globe that caused the dramatic reduction in Covid cases from around April isn't 'the jets'. Consider instead lockdowns, social distancing, contact tracing, etc. Go to the link below, and press the play button. This will show you the extent to which each nation took action to prevent the spread, and when they took action. Compare your findings to the other charts on that site, including the one in the post you quoted. You can even download the source data.


https://ourworldindata.org/policy-responses-covid

All you need to do is search a little to find the science that shows lockdowns and masks, etc., aren't doing anything except to spread the disease.

The medical twists the actual facts and figures, that eve Sweden has been twisted to look way worse than they were.

[franky1]

badecker its been 9months of you repeating things that got debunked months before you repeated them
are you ever going to try posting something new/ original

your not just a broken record. your a broken record in a DJ suitcase of the exact same record where al the records are broke, yet keep trying to play the same broken song hoping one day someone will like whats being played

its time to change the tune.

[BADecker]

badecker its been 9months of you repeating things that got debunked months before you repeated them
are you ever going to try posting something new/ original

your not just a broken record. your a broken record in a DJ suitcase of the exact same record where al the records are broke, yet keep trying to play the same broken song hoping one day someone will like whats being played

its time to change the tune.

Congratulations, franky1. You have made it to true politician. Nothing to back what you say, but you keep on talking anyway.

[franky1]

the world outside this topic you created debunks everything you say.
the whole chem trail thing has been debunked decades ago.

the difference between a clear day and a vapour day is to do with atmospherics which is why some days you see a planes trail through the sky or not. it has nothing to do with them pumping stuff out on certain days and not pumping it out on other days.

if you atleast tried to learn stuff independently. and tried verifying your sources and actually tried to learn something for yourself. you would also start to learn the flaws in the conspiracy subjects you repeat.

you are one of the conspiracy nutters that is always posting crap even after its been debunked.
its like you think you have been invited to a special party. but you keep arriving 3 days after its over. but you still want to dance around and have fun with yourself.

it must be lonely for you.

but like i said. if you actually bothered to look into things more. you will save yourself alot of wasted time.

so do us all a favour. try to find something new.. because your just boring now

[BADecker]

^^^ Come on, franky1. Get outside once in a while, and watch the skies. They're beautiful. Especially the clouds.

Yes, we get clouds in Arizona. But now that the chemtrails have stopped again, there aren't so many clouds.

I guess "they" are being careful to not make the pandemic into something that really wipes the people out.

[franky1]

you need to learn about the atmosphere and weather and science.

[BADecker]

^^^ You need to learn common sense about what you see.   

[Cnut237]

chemtrails

You're just considering Arizona, though. There have been Covid deaths all around the world. The Pacific Islands, Africa, South America. You are implying that every nation in the world is setting aside their differences to form some giant airborne conspiracy, and that there are chemical spewing planes over every single populated area on Earth, and you're doing so with zero scientific evidence to back up the claim. It's just not credible.

[franky1]

^^^ You need to learn common sense about what you see.   

common sense of the real world of 7 billion people is that the atmosphere changes. when its colder you see water vapour more easily. EG seeing your breath when its real cold. and not seeing your breath when its a warm day.
so as you say in the warm summer you did not see the trails.

welcome to reality.

sorry but your little conspiracy cult might think your stories are 'common' within your group. but thats not the real 'common'
so is time you come to your senses and understand the reality outside of your small conspiracy cult.

[Jet Cash]

I posted many months ago that the extreme weather in China may have been caused by the US military, but that was dismissed here. I also posted about the car manufacturer that was taken to court for suppressing rain by blocking precipitation, and that went down like a lead balloon. It's no wonder they want to delete the word "gullible" when people believe that masks and "social distancing" make a significant difference in the Covid panicdemic. In the summer, we were told to keep windows shut and stay indoors to stop the spread of the virus, and, now that the winter 'flu season is here, we are told that we should throw open our windows to let in the cold air.

If you object to the use of the word gullible, then do a bit of introspection to try to realise why it makes you feel uncomfortable.

[franky1]

chemical spewing planes over every single populated area on Earth, and you're doing so with zero scientific evidence to back up the claim. It's just not credible.

the very notable thing between someone with that tries to look for extra stuff.. and some idiot that is just repeating some conspiracy cultish script is their use of certain buzzwords

idiots without a clue, repeating conspiracy cults: 'chemtrails'
idiots that actually try to do independent research, but still clueless: 'cloud seeding'

and its funny how certain people dont even raise their game to even mention the buzzword cloud seeding. and just spout out chemtrail

[Cnut237]

people believe that masks and "social distancing" make a significant difference

If a virus spreads from person to person, then how would staying away from people not make a significant difference?
What's the alternative? That it's a huge conspiracy run by some nefarious hidden agency who somehow makes vast amounts of money by keeping people 2m away from one another?
Apply Ockham's razor!

[BADecker]

^^^ You need to learn common sense about what you see.  

common sense of the real world of 7 billion people is that the atmosphere changes. when its colder you see water vapour more easily. EG seeing your breath when its real cold. and not seeing your breath when its a warm day.
so as you say in the warm summer you did not see the trails.

welcome to reality.

sorry but your little conspiracy cult might think your stories are 'common' within your group. but thats not the real 'common'
so is time you come to your senses and understand the reality outside of your small conspiracy cult.

So, since you won't accept common sense, show us where the flight records of all the jets over Arizona are, so that we can go look for ourselves to see if the same numbers of jets were flying on the no-chemtrail days. Don't tell me you were watching the Arizona skies all the way over in the UK.

people believe that masks and "social distancing" make a significant difference

If a virus spreads from person to person, then how would staying away from people not make a significant difference?
What's the alternative? That it's a huge conspiracy run by some nefarious hidden agency who somehow makes vast amounts of money by keeping people 2m away from one another?
Apply Ockham's razor!

You might live on the barren Steppes of Siberia, growing all your own food, and never coming into contact with other people, or things touched by other people. But other than something like that, you are out of luck.So, why destroy the economy and your own life and that of your friends by lockdowns and masks?

[Cnut237]

If a virus spreads from person to person, then how would staying away from people not make a significant difference?

You might live on the barren Steppes of Siberia, growing all your own food, and never coming into contact with other people, or things touched by other people. But other than something like that, you are out of luck.

Okay, so from your statement:
1) You agree that someone who is say 1,000 miles away from any other human has less chance of catching CV19 than someone who is living a 'normal' urban western lifestyle and interacting with lots of different people all the time.
2) I will assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't think this is a sudden cut-off somewhere, e.g. 99 miles away from anyone else, you are still as likely to catch it as someone in a city centre, but move to 100 miles away and suddenly you have 0% chance of catching it.
3) In which case, if it's not a sudden cut-off, then it's a gradual transition, i.e. any increase of separation from people, any reduction in interaction with different people does reduce your chances of catching it.

Do you agree on all of these three points?

[franky1]

^^^ You need to learn common sense about what you see.  

common sense of the real world of 7 billion people is that the atmosphere changes. when its colder you see water vapour more easily. EG seeing your breath when its real cold. and not seeing your breath when its a warm day.
so as you say in the warm summer you did not see the trails.

welcome to reality.

sorry but your little conspiracy cult might think your stories are 'common' within your group. but thats not the real 'common'
so is time you come to your senses and understand the reality outside of your small conspiracy cult.

again for emphasis.. your mindset is not common sense. its conspiracy theory. there is a difference
just because you talk worth other conspiracy cultish people in your small cabin fever world does not make your conspiracy theories 'common'
EG 2 murders in a town of 10 million.. lock the murders in a cell together and let them talk between themselves about murdering.. does not suddenly make murders or murdering common.

anyways. if you actually took some effort you, yes you. could actually find the info yourself.
you can find out that planes below a certain atmospheric level dont leave a vapour trail. just like clouds only form at a certain height of the atmosphere due to the atmospheric temperatures.
you will also see that there are many sites that show flight data publicly.
incase google is to hard for you to manage

i know its difficult for you to dare yourself to look beyond the spoonfed info cultish conspiracy websites hand you. i know its difficult for you to not want people to spoonfeed you.
but when i have spoonfed you. you have pretended you never received it. so im not playing that game with you.

just try for once to man-up and actually try to research the facts. and stop blindly following your conspiracy cults

[BADecker]

^^^ You need to learn common sense about what you see.  

common sense of the real world of 7 billion people is that the atmosphere changes. when its colder you see water vapour more easily. EG seeing your breath when its real cold. and not seeing your breath when its a warm day.
so as you say in the warm summer you did not see the trails.

welcome to reality.

sorry but your little conspiracy cult might think your stories are 'common' within your group. but thats not the real 'common'
so is time you come to your senses and understand the reality outside of your small conspiracy cult.

again for emphasis.. your mindset is not common sense. its conspiracy theory. there is a difference
just because you talk worth other conspiracy cultish people in your small cabin fever world does not make your conspiracy theories 'common'
EG 2 murders in a town of 10 million.. lock the murders in a cell together and let them talk between themselves about murdering.. does not suddenly make murders or murdering common.

anyways. if you actually took some effort you, yes you. could actually find the info yourself.
you can find out that planes below a certain atmospheric level dont leave a vapour trail. just like clouds only form at a certain height of the atmosphere due to the atmospheric temperatures.
you will also see that there are many sites that show flight data publicly.
incase google is to hard for you to manage

i know its difficult for you to dare yourself to look beyond the spoonfed info cultish conspiracy websites hand you. i know its difficult for you to not want people to spoonfeed you.
but when i have spoonfed you. you have pretended you never received it. so im not playing that game with you.

just try for once to man-up and actually try to research the facts. and stop blindly following your conspiracy cults

No, my mindset is not conspiracy theory. Rather, it is conspiracy found. Why? Because common sense shows through all kinds of investigation, that there is conspiracy.

There is, however, difficulty in determining if you are part of the conspiracy, or if you are only ignorant of common sense. But it seems that you are a troll in the conspiracy, because someone who has so much sense in some ways, should be able to find the common sense that shows that there is a conspiracy.

So, why don't you just come out and admit that you are a troll... come out ans say it directly. After all, you keep on giving evidence that you are a troll. Why not simply admit it.

[franky1]

worst response badecker has made yet.
pretends his small cult of conspiracy theorists are the ones with common sense.
pretends he has found evidence of facts.

he has no clue.
badecker i have for months been telling you to try not to just copy and paste the mindset of your cultish group and actually for once try to investigate things independently.
search for facts from source data. not from conspiracy site opinion/twists.

challenge yourself. actually try to set yourself a goal to find out something factual by yourself without resorting to spoonfeeds from others.

[BADecker]

^^^ As usual franky1, you have it entirely backward.

For examples. How many of our modern conveniences are built by one man or woman? If there are any, there are not many.

Consider a modern Ford Thunderbird car. Did one person make it? Lol. It was made by a whole team of people who got together and figured out what they were going to make, how they were going to make it, and when. GM called it a conspiracy the way the Ford people did it.

Did you think up the term "conspiracy theory" all by yourself? Of course not. Rather, a bunch of people got together and formed a conspiracy to figure out the term.

Conspiracies are all around us. They are in the strategies every family makes to move ahead in life. They are in every business, because even a one-man business makes private/secret deals with someone else. Governments are conglomerations of conspiracies. Think of governmental black bag operations. Secret conspiracies all over the place.

So, when you suggest that a conspiracy of people who theorize about conspiracies, all that you are saying is that they are conspiracy theorists. You are right. After all, GM and Ford are continually theorizing about what the other is conspiring to do.


So there is little franky1. All by himself without a conspiracy of common sense to back him up. Always blabbing, but seldom having anything more than cold air. The least you could do franky1, is get into some kind of conspiracy so that your air could become warm a little.