Signature campaign and bounties are major factors of shit posting

[Pokapoka124]

Signature campaigns are part of promotions, advertisements of companies in the forum. I began my journey here in December 2020 and I'm fairly new  to the forum. From my first week I read a lot of post warning newbies about shit posting. One familiar name I came to recognise was lovesmayfamilis who exposed plagiarism and attacked shit posters. So I took my time and study how to make constructive discussions and contributions to the forum. But I'm afraid many newbies fail to do this.
The problem I feel with signature campaigns is the condition that comes along with the package which is "accepted members  must post xx number of posts in a week. Some go as far as 70 posts in a week. This is the only reason that kills the quality.
Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Signature campaigns have its pros and cons. The question is do the pros outweigh the cons or vice versa? If my assumption is true what can be done to solve the problem?

[Muenalo]

As for me, I will strongly disagree with that statement,  because had it been there was no signature campaigns and bounties that reward people for actively participating in this forum, bitcointalk forum would have died and be buried long time ago.. Because nobody will like to invest time in a place where he/she is not getting a penny, because with the help of bounty rewards, many have been able to own a personal blog, live a comfortable life and impact immensely in cryptocurrencies.

So, that's my point.. Thanks

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

They don't read that topic Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)

Signature campaigns that hire good posters and pay them in Bitcoin have good quality than bounties. In bounties, companies launch signature campaigns too but with lower quality.

Signature campaigns pay in Bitcoin and pay in altcoins or useless tokens are different. It is responsibility of bounty managers.

Wearing signature is a privilege, not a right and forum admin can disable all signatures or ban all signature campaigns, bounties. 

[isaac_clarke22]

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I haven't read all the SCs rules in the Services section, but from what I recall last time is that most of it now require minimum of merits so that should at least minimize the chances of low-quality posters to get into the campaign, although we have issues of merit abuse, I am pretty sure it won't last long due to how limited merit/s is/are.
Most likely in the Bounties section there would be no merits required for SCs, that's why many join there and continue doing their usual "thing".

Nothing much can be done to solve the problem, except reporting their post. Most of the time, I read the post histories of those I reported because there are chances that they'll just go in an plagiarize in order to fish some merits while it is obvious that their other posts are comparable as night and day.

[Pokapoka124]

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I haven't read all the SCs rules in the Services section, but from what I recall last time is that most of it now require minimum of merits so that should at least minimize the chances of low-quality posters to get into the campaign,

Yes that's true. There's also the only constructive post will be counted rule. But that can also help so much when the campaign requires  70- 80 post per week. I have seen good posters make unusual posts just to meet post quota

[Lucius]

The problem I feel with signature campaigns is the condition that comes along with the package which is "accepted members  must post xx number of posts in a week. Some go as far as 70 posts in a week. This is the only reason that kills the quality.
Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Each campaign manager sets rules that he or she previously agrees with the service owner who hired him or her. The thing is that the owners in most cases leave everything to the campaign managers, and they mostly conduct uniformed campaigns that have almost identical rules. There is of course an alternative model that says "no minimum posts - max xx will be paid", which is far fairer for each participant - but most owners can not afford it since their goal is to get as many posts as possible in the shortest possible time paying the lowest possible price. The wrong approach to the whole thing generally also gives bad results.

Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Of course, this is not true, if the owner cares about quantity instead of quality - and there have been such campaigns on the forum in the past, they didn't even have campaign managers - everything was automated. Today, on the other hand, we have a very limited number of users that we can classify as good or quality posters, so the criteria in most campaigns are very low.

Let's put it this way, the forum has been fairly cleansed of spam users - and many high-ranking members have been permanently banned in the process (mainly due to plagiarism). On the other hand ranking has become a real achievement, and we currently have a shortage of quality members to fill all the spots offered in signature campaigns.

[YOSHIE]

Not really, not all signature posters are annoying, only certain parts, but there are still many that have great post value and useful.

In this forum there are thousands of heads and minds coming here, it can be said that almost all "international" countries try to imagine, for example: In the city you live / urban village with a population of only 200-400 people, maybe you have also seen dirty posters that you come across, it's just a handful of people, let alone the thousands that we see.

So, just let them do the annoying posters and actions, they will end up in prison.
No matter how hard we keep the rules they break them, only those who understand obey the rules.

The earth is not dirty, it is people who pollute it with their actions.

[lovesmayfamilis]

As for me, I will strongly disagree with that statement,  because had it been there was no signature campaigns and bounties that reward people for actively participating in this forum, bitcointalk forum would have died and be buried long time ago.. Because nobody will like to invest time in a place where he/she is not getting a penny, because with the help of bounty rewards, many have been able to own a personal blog, live a comfortable life and impact immensely in cryptocurrencies.

So, that's my point.. Thanks

I am very sorry that you perceive the forum as a place to earn money. Look at the history of the forum. Many interesting people were registered here, who were not at all interested in the subscription companies.  The technical part of bitcoin, its development, the development of other cryptocurrencies, and communication on topics that excite crypto enthusiasts, is what should attract young users here.
But as we see, people like you are interested in profit, and from this, we observe human greed, which is expressed in multi-accounts, and as a result, we receive a lot of spam.
Subscription companies should help people grow, not the other way around. Many bounty hunters, without reading the rules, begin to write regularly the same posts, which can later be deleted.
I assure you, the forum will live and develop independently of subscription companies, and there would be less spam if managers were stricter about the choice of participants. Then the forum would probably have died and ceased to exist for spammers hungry for profit.

[Pokapoka124]

As for me, I will strongly disagree with that statement,  because had it been there was no signature campaigns and bounties that reward people for actively participating in this forum, bitcointalk forum would have died and be buried long time ago.. Because nobody will like to invest time in a place where he/she is not getting a penny, because with the help of bounty rewards, many have been able to own a personal blog, live a comfortable life and impact immensely in cryptocurrencies.

So, that's my point.. Thanks

I doubt if the original purpose why the forum was created in the first place was to make money. I believe the  forum is a community where you find like minds and people of similar interest( which is cryptocurrencies). There are various sections in the forum that one may pick an interest in.
Of course there's money in signature campaigns but that shouldn't be the priority. If you are interested in earning, there are services you can offer for individuals and companies and get paid.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

But I'm afraid many newbies fail to do this.

Newbies (and many other ranks of members) have been shitposting in campaigns and bounties for years.  It's not a new problem at all, and you're new--you should have seen what it was like back before January 2018 when the merit system was rolled out.  Moderators would certainly delete garbage posts that were reported to them, but there were so many that you could spend all day just reporting shitposts.  It was out of control.

As I said, then the merit system came about thanks to Theymos recognizing the problem.  And it was indeed mostly newbies who were the problem, so making it much harder for members to rank up made it much less profitable to be in sig campaigns (and way harder to get into them).  Thankfully things have improved quite a bit since then, even though there are still shitposters all over the place.

Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Not sure what you mean by this.  Could you elaborate?

[FIFA worldcup]

Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Not sure what you mean by this.  Could you elaborate?

I think he means to say that when a shit poster wear a signature, he become brand ambassador for that company/brand and usually companies do not want low quality poster to represent their brand. However, sometimes few companies are more focused on getting more quantity of members wearing their signature and not on the quality.

[NotATether]

As for me, I will strongly disagree with that statement,  because had it been there was no signature campaigns and bounties that reward people for actively participating in this forum, bitcointalk forum would have died and be buried long time ago.. Because nobody will like to invest time in a place where he/she is not getting a penny,

Bro this isn't cryptotalk where generous admins created it to give away free money, this was* a bitcoin dev forum made by Satoshi. This forum survived a good 5 years without signature campaigns. People using this site as a day job for posting are also part of the problem because most don't care if they pollute the threads they post in.

And by the way, it is not difficult to get accepted for a job offer here, and most will pay more than all signature campaigns here. I had actually done just that today, for an undisclosed company's Service thread.

*was, because it has since morphed into an average general discussion forum as devs started leaving.

I doubt if the original purpose why the forum was created in the first place was to make money.

It wasn't. It used to house the developer community who actually maintained Bitcoin Core.

[Little Mouse]

As for me, I will strongly disagree with that statement,  because had it been there was no signature campaigns and bounties that reward people for actively participating in this forum, bitcointalk forum would have died and be buried long time ago.. Because nobody will like to invest time in a place where he/she is not getting a penny, because with the help of bounty rewards, many have been able to own a personal blog, live a comfortable life and impact immensely in cryptocurrencies.

So, that's my point.. Thanks

You have no idea dude. I have to agree that most of the people posting here only for sig campaigns but there are people don't give a f to this earning. They are still posting when necessary and number of such people aren’t too low. Check WallObserver thread, technical discussion board and some other, you can yourself discover them.
Besides, there are people who are wearing signatures but taking this as a benefit only, they had to post and they are posting with additional benefits. You should be active here.

[SFR10]

Some go as far as 70 posts in a week. This is the only reason that kills the quality.

Personally, I haven't seen one that pays in BTCitcoin and it has that amount as its minimum requirement; I'm guessing you're referring to one of the so-called alt^[s**t]coin campaigns instead.

If my assumption is true what can be done to solve the problem?

Nothing much can be done to solve the problem, except reporting their post.

There's one more: Report their campaign managers or operators to one of the staff so they could warn them at first and if it doesn't work, they'll take necessary steps for combating the issue.
<sup>- Read the link that @SquirrelJulietGarden provided.
- IIRC, there were a couple or a few campaigns before that crossed that line.</sup>

[Pokapoka124]

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Shit posters cannot represent a brand.

Not sure what you mean by this.  Could you elaborate?

What I mean is, companies need good quality posters for their promotions, shit post are mostly ignored or put in a blacklist and so is the avatar. Interesting discussions sparks one's interest and draws one to the conversation.

[Slow death]

you cannot forget that it is the managers who choose the campaign participants, in short: you are saying that all managers know nothing and you know more than all bitcointalk managers

[Rikafip]

@Pokapoka124 This topic has been discussed so many times before, and if you bothered to use search option you would find an answer to all your questions.

[OgNasty]

Signature campaigns have its pros and cons. The question is do the pros outweigh the cons or vice versa? If my assumption is true what can be done to solve the problem?

I think the pros outweigh the cons, but mostly because discussion here is less important than actual Bitcoin activity.

The only thing that could really be done is if the forum took over control of signature advertisements, and I think the legal liability with KYC as well as the administrative work that would accompany it are not worth the cost or headache to the forum’s caretakers.

For now, we should all just be thankful that companies are willing to advertise so recklessly with random accounts on this forum being the beneficiaries.