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June 08, 2022, 11:55:52 PM
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It seems the current era will be defined by the polar opposite to QE (quantitative easing) which they are calling QT (quantitative tightening). With a claimed $95 billion a month in reduced federal reserve bond holdings. With the fed officially being recognized as one of the largest holders of US bonds, that shift could have a significant affect on markets.
I think the US government will soon have serious debt servicing problems. If the Fed is actively selling bonds, someone will have to buy them actively as well. In terms of inflation, this is a guaranteed loss of money, plus sanctions risks due to the freezing of money by the Central Bank of Russia. It is unlikely that China will do this, probably Europe will have to finance the cash gap due to the large budget deficit in the US, but it has its own financial difficulties.

20 or 21 negative budgets and counting for the USA.

I don't know if BTC replaces the dollar,but the dollar is in trouble.
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June 09, 2022, 06:54:57 AM
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" There are two main factors that has Dimon worried: First, the Federal Reserve has signaled it will reverse its emergency bond-buying programs and shrink its balance sheet. The so-called quantitative tightening, or QT, is scheduled to begin this month and will ramp up to $95 billion a month in reduced bond holdings."

Quantitative easing is a tactic used by the Federal Reserve to stimulate the economy in times of crisis. It increases the money supply and lowers long-term interest rates. - Source : https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-quantitative-easing-definition-and-explanation-3305881

So shifting the blame to the government, because it is not willing to fund the speculative lending practices of these Banks ...is a Piss Poor excuse to raise the red flag for a crisis. You (Banks) are causing this economic crisis with Fractional-reserve banking practices and reckless loans.

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/financial-services/our-insights/a-decade-after-the-global-financial-crisis-what-has-and-hasnt-changed


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June 09, 2022, 08:04:50 AM
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Damn, what a deep analysis. Grin
Interest rates going up, war in Ukraine, food and fuel prices going up, market liquidity going down. We already know this and we don't need the great "analysis" made by this clown. He's more like "captain Obvious". What could we possibly do without Jamie Dimon pointing at the obvious stuff, that is happening around the globe right now? We desperately need him and his BS opinions about everything. Grin
Jamie Dimon talking about "sunny" weather, "storm clouds" and "hurricanes". Is he a meteorologist or something? Grin
Maybe he could resign from JP Morgan Chase and become a real meteorologist.

This, I mean anyone which takes the time to read the news a few minutes every day would know that things are not really looking good for the economy and most likely things are going to get even worse, so we do not need a person like him to tell us something we already knew, maybe statements like that could be surprising for the people which are no informed at all about the state of the world, but for people like us it is a waste of time to listen to whatever he wants to say.

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June 09, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
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Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human beings on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase.  

As a financial advisor I've worked directly and indirectly with most of the major financial company players, and I can tell you first hand how awful and corrupt Chase is.  I've also had several close friends who've worked for them and they all agree.  

So moral of the story being, don't fully trust anything this scumbag says.  Just remember his main goal is to profit off of you, period.


But do you truly believe he's wrong, simply because "he is corrupt"? Plus it's very laughable to think, and be in the opinion of, the Fed will fix/solve everything within 1 year after 30 years of injecting fiat into the market. It's a different situation during 2020, and it's different situation right now. The Fed had some elbow-room to implement QE and to BRRRRR-print fiat into existence during COVID-19's outbreak. Right now, the Fed is required to control inflation, bring stability and maximum employment.

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June 09, 2022, 06:06:21 PM
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Even though I know all the economic indicators are signalling towards an economic squeeze I doubt that there will actually be one. Prime reason for that is because generally when a news about a recession is so public in news everywhere there generally is no recession coming in because people will invest carefully after reading these news and big whales don't really want this. When there is a hurricane coming by the news will be, market will recover from here, good times about to come and such positive news. If you see the past trends of depressions this has been a trend always.
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Even though I know all the economic indicators are signalling towards an economic squeeze I doubt that there will actually be one. Prime reason for that is because generally when a news about a recession is so public in news everywhere there generally is no recession coming in because people will invest carefully after reading these news and big whales don't really want this. When there is a hurricane coming by the news will be, market will recover from here, good times about to come and such positive news. If you see the past trends of depressions this has been a trend always.


Don't be so sure that it won't haapen. There are already some companies, like Tesla, that have announced that they are laying off 10% of their work-force this year. Coinbase has started rescinding those applications that have already been approved/accepted. Recession is merely starting ser. The Fed will keep tightening, raise rates, and shrink their balance sheet until something breaks before they start easing again, lowering rates, and expand the balance sheet.

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June 10, 2022, 08:20:36 AM
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Bitcoin is never going to be 100% coupled with mainstream financial markets. They will have a lot of influence it, especially in short term, but there are still things like halvenings that will also shape Bitcoin's price. So we'll definitely see some bullish Bitcoin action in this economic crisis, even if it won't be a reaction to it.

I agree.We saw how great Bitcoin reacted to the pandemic,in the beginning of it the price of Bitcoin got down to near the 2000 dollar mark but soon after that,after the first months of the complete lock down in the world the price of Bitcoin started to increase exponentially and it even reached an all time high during the pandemic,or better two all time highs if we consider also the October 2021 all time high together with the April/May 2021.This means Bitcoin is immune to this kind of analysis like this guy is making,end of story.

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I am definitely not gonna follow this guy whatsoever. This will take down all my thoughts which I have taught myself since few years that holding is future in the crypto currency space. I can’t sell my portfolio because I am not in profit. Rule of thumb is simple, you sell high and you always sell higher than your entry point. This is enough for me. If I’m selling right now just because this guy thinks future is not ready for crypto then I will wait and take my chances in similar ways I did until now. Moreover I read first few reply it seem this guy is some sort of illusionist in financial world. Lolz
That is exactly what you should do, and everyone else should do as well. But, why does he keep saying things like these if he is not to be cared about? Well simple, these are "famous" people in their circles, not famous like Hollywood movie star type stuff, but in the business world and in the finance world mainly.

So, they need to speak about some things here and there to keep their fame going. Doesn't mean that they are terrible at what they do, they are still a bit of a good idea about what’s going on. Just means that you need to not care about what they say all that much because it doesn't result with something most of the time, aside from them getting more famous.

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June 10, 2022, 05:11:45 PM
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Even though I know all the economic indicators are signalling towards an economic squeeze I doubt that there will actually be one. Prime reason for that is because generally when a news about a recession is so public in news everywhere there generally is no recession coming in because people will invest carefully after reading these news and big whales don't really want this. When there is a hurricane coming by the news will be, market will recover from here, good times about to come and such positive news. If you see the past trends of depressions this has been a trend always.


Don't be so sure that it won't haapen. There are already some companies, like Tesla, that have announced that they are laying off 10% of their work-force this year. Coinbase has started rescinding those applications that have already been approved/accepted. Recession is merely starting ser. The Fed will keep tightening, raise rates, and shrink their balance sheet until something breaks before they start easing again, lowering rates, and expand the balance sheet.
I understand that all the macroeconomic factors are indicating a recession but my point is that generally there is a silence before a big thunder, I can't see that silence around right now, tell me one time in history when there was a expected recession? People were dancing in 2008 before the housing market collapse kicked in. Nowhere was this being mentioned that market is fragile and macro factors indicate bearishness. I understand that today information transmission is easier but still I feel you need a lot of longs to be opened before you can do the big short.
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June 10, 2022, 08:45:25 PM
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I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously. He has been bearish on Bitcoin for years. Even said he would fire any employees who hold or trade any crypto. Then when crypto went up he was bullish.

Now after almost an entire year of many small and mid cap stocks crashing he is saying there will be a crash. What good is this exactly? Everybody is talking about a recession. So many people are talking about the recession which leads me to believe there won’t be one.
Remember that if you aim for success in crypto, you would not let yourself get influenced by someone who go against your dreams. Jamie here is clearly anti-crypto because in all his statements, he has not even said a good word about crypto. If you believe in bitcoin, always go with what you think is right. Though it has its own flaws that makes it price more unpredictable, but focusing on the recessions that people said, it won't create a good motivation at all.

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JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon says he is preparing the biggest U.S. bank for an economic hurricane on the horizon and advised investors to do the same.

“You know, I said there’s storm clouds but I’m going to change it … it’s a hurricane,” Dimon said Wednesday at a financial conference in New York. While conditions seem “fine” at the moment, nobody knows if the hurricane is “a minor one or Superstorm Sandy,” he added.

“You’d better brace yourself,” Dimon told the roomful of analysts and investors. “JPMorgan is bracing ourselves and we’re going to be very conservative with our balance sheet.”

Beginning late last year with high-flying tech names, stocks have been hammered as investors prepare for the end of the Federal Reserve’s cheap money era. Inflation at multidecade highs, exacerbated by supply chain disruptions and the coronavirus pandemic, has sown fear that the Fed will inadvertently tip the economy into recession as it combats price increases.  

While stocks bounced from a precipitous decline in recent weeks on optimism that inflation may be easing, Dimon seemed to dash hopes that the bottom is in.

“Right now, it’s kind of sunny, things are doing fine, everyone thinks the Fed can handle this,” Dimon said. “That hurricane is right out there, down the road, coming our way.”

There are two main factors that has Dimon worried: First, the Federal Reserve has signaled it will reverse its emergency bond-buying programs and shrink its balance sheet. The so-called quantitative tightening, or QT, is scheduled to begin this month and will ramp up to $95 billion a month in reduced bond holdings.

“We’ve never had QT like this, so you’re looking at something you could be writing history books on for 50 years,” Dimon said. Several aspects of quantitative easing programs “backfired,” including negative rates, which he called a “huge mistake.”

Central banks “don’t have a choice because there’s too much liquidity in the system,” Dimon said, referring to the tightening actions. “They have to remove some of the liquidity to stop the speculation, reduce home prices and stuff like that.”

The other large factor worrying Dimon is the Ukraine war and its impact on commodities, including food and fuel. Oil “almost has to go up in price” because of disruptions caused by the worst European conflict since World War II, potentially hitting $150 or $175 a barrel, Dimon said.

“Wars go bad, [they] go south in unintended consequences,” Dimon said. “We’re not taking the proper actions to protect Europe from what’s going to happen to oil in the short run.”

‘Huge volatility’

Last week, during an investor conference for his bank, Dimon referred to his economic concerns as “storm clouds” that could dissipate. Presentations from Dimon and his deputies at the all-day meeting have bolstered JPMorgan shares by giving greater detail on investments and updated figures on interest revenue.

But his concerns seem to have deepened since then.

During the response to the 2008 financial crisis, central banks, commercial banks and foreign exchange trading firms were the three major buyers of U.S. Treasurys, Dimon said Wednesday. The players won’t have the capacity or desire to soak up as many U.S. bonds this time, he warned.

“That’s a huge change in the flow of funds around the world,” Dimon said. “I don’t know what the effect of that is, but I’m prepared for, at a minimum, huge volatility.”

One step the bank could take to gird itself for a coming hurricane is to push clients to move a type of lower-quality deposit called “non-operating deposits” into other places, such as money market funds, for example. That would help the bank manage its capital requirements under international rules, potentially helping it absorb a surge in bad loans.

“With all this capital uncertainty, we’re going to have to take actions,” Dimon said. “I kind of want to shed nonoperating deposits again, which we can do in size, to protect ourselves so we can serve clients in bad times. That’s the environment we’re dealing with.”

Banks having a “fortress balance sheet” and conservative accounting are the best protections for a downturn, Dimon said.

The bank has shied away from servicing a lot of federal FHA loans, he said, because delinquencies could hit 5% or 10% there, “which is guaranteed to happen in a downturn,” Dimon said.

‘Shame on you’

Dimon went on a tear during the hourlong session, barreling through topics like a “greatest hits” of his observations and gripes, often letting loose with profanity.

He lambasted investors for voting along with proxy advisors like Glass Lewis, which has disagreed with JPMorgan’s board on recent matters including executive compensation and whether the bank should separate the chairman and CEO roles in the future.

“Shame on you if that’s how you vote,” Dimon said. “Seriously, you should be embarrassed. Do your own homework.”

Companies are being driven out of public markets “because of litigation, regulation, press, cookie-cutter governance,” he added.  

Meanwhile, other critics often conflate stakeholder capitalism for being “woke,” Dimon said.  “I am a red-blooded, free market capitalist and I’m not woke,” he said.

“All we’re saying is when we wake up in the morning, we give a s--- about serving customers, earning their respect, earning their repeat business.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/01/jamie-dimon-says-brace-yourself-for-an-economic-hurricane-caused-by-the-fed-and-ukraine-war.html


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It seems the current era will be defined by the polar opposite to QE (quantitative easing) which they are calling QT (quantitative tightening). With a claimed $95 billion a month in reduced federal reserve bond holdings. With the fed officially being recognized as one of the largest holders of US bonds, that shift could have a significant affect on markets.

If big players like banks are being conservative and switching to bear strategies. Those trends could carry over to smaller players. Which raises interesting questions of which assets are expected to perform best under future circumstances. One place to start is by keyword searching: "best recession performing assets" and allowing things to progress from there. Although I think its fair to say that most investment wisdom dates back to a pre internet age and doesn't include many modern innovations.


There's no way you can rely your decisions from this type of guy. I mean he's not that kind of fortune teller that gets to tell what will happen next. Maybe he's also having troubles with his own predictions. But whatever it is, you cannot just believe on him just because he is an influenced man. You have your own market analysis so always stick on what you believe is right. After all, you learned your lessons everytime you get wrong from your own market predictions.
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June 10, 2022, 10:26:48 PM
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Yeah, if he makes a good enough amount of predictions, some eventually may turn out to be correct.
I do agree that the financial world looks grim at best, still, Dimon's predictions are really worthless.
I guess that he wanted to be on the news again, and, for a change, he is not bashing Bitcoin Cheesy
With or without Dimon in our lives, we will always be fine. So do not take seriously this man as he is also aiming for more attention. There may be recessions that are bound to happen and that only the government have the full control on that. All we have to do as an individual investor, is to never let our own economy fall into recession. We can possibly prevent this to happen if we always invest on the right coins and are good in making our decisions.

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Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human beings on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase.  

As a financial advisor I've worked directly and indirectly with most of the major financial company players, and I can tell you first hand how awful and corrupt Chase is.  I've also had several close friends who've worked for them and they all agree.  

So moral of the story being, don't fully trust anything this scumbag says.  Just remember his main goal is to profit off of you, period.
That's it. No one would exert an effort if they are not to something. So definitely, his words may somehow be true but we are not going to believe in him either. We know his end goal and so we would not let it happen and fall on his own words of wisdom. This pandemic has taught us well and that we can prevent from seeing our own economies to fall if we always focus on the positive things, and not letting ourselves dictated by other influencers.

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Even though I know all the economic indicators are signalling towards an economic squeeze I doubt that there will actually be one. Prime reason for that is because generally when a news about a recession is so public in news everywhere there generally is no recession coming in because people will invest carefully after reading these news and big whales don't really want this. When there is a hurricane coming by the news will be, market will recover from here, good times about to come and such positive news. If you see the past trends of depressions this has been a trend always.


Don't be so sure that it won't haapen. There are already some companies, like Tesla, that have announced that they are laying off 10% of their work-force this year. Coinbase has started rescinding those applications that have already been approved/accepted. Recession is merely starting ser. The Fed will keep tightening, raise rates, and shrink their balance sheet until something breaks before they start easing again, lowering rates, and expand the balance sheet.

I understand that all the macroeconomic factors are indicating a recession but my point is that generally there is a silence before a big thunder, I can't see that silence around right now, tell me one time in history when there was a expected recession? People were dancing in 2008 before the housing market collapse kicked in.


There were already times that recessions were expected,  BUT the problem, NO ONE listens to the warning. They plebs listen to CNBC, CNN, and other other big media companies to make plebs like us dance, WHILE they are selling.

July will be the month for GDP announcements for the the Second Quarter in many regions of the globe. U.S. GDP numbers were negative during the First Quarter. Another negative GDP will technically, or "officially" be a recession.

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Nowhere was this being mentioned that market is fragile and macro factors indicate bearishness. I understand that today information transmission is easier but still I feel you need a lot of longs to be opened before you can do the big short.


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Doesn't really seem like something to be honest, since the start of the Ukraine Russia war have economist predicted a downturn in global growth. Right now the government is at the end of it's rope when it comes to monetary policy. The usual habit for politicians since the 2008 financial crisis was to lower interest rate and print money whenever needed. For more than 10 years we have been in a ultra low interest rate environment, banks paying 0% interest on bank accounts for years. The average saver has been losing money even with inflation rates around 1-2%. But now we are facing inflation rates of 5-10%, there is no more possibility for politicians to keep the interest rate low and print money. The risk of running into hyper inflation is high now, and once we enter such high rates it will be hard to get out of it anymore. The high volatility Jamie Dimon writes about we already have since March. Prices are fluctuating on a daily basis, including crypto currencies. For me there is no real alternative to not be invested, holding cash is no option with the current inflation. The best we can do is to HODL and face the storm.
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Doesn't really seem like something to be honest, since the start of the Ukraine Russia war have economist predicted a downturn in global growth. Right now the government is at the end of it's rope when it comes to monetary policy. The usual habit for politicians since the 2008 financial crisis was to lower interest rate and print money whenever needed. For more than 10 years we have been in a ultra low interest rate environment, banks paying 0% interest on bank accounts for years.


I believe you misunderstood how the system works concerning Central Bank interest rates. It's not about savings interest rates. It's about the annual lending rates that the banks charge for loaning money out to different entities.  

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The average saver has been losing money even with inflation rates around 1-2%. But now we are facing inflation rates of 5-10%, there is no more possibility for politicians to keep the interest rate low and print money. The risk of running into hyper inflation is high now, and once we enter such high rates it will be hard to get out of it anymore. The high volatility Jamie Dimon writes about we already have since March.


Actually, there were people in the forum, especially in the Economics sub, who were already saying that inflation was not transitory last year, IT WAS PROVEN RIGHT, IT ISN'T, and that it will be a problem, IT NOW CURRENTY IS.

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