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Chinese authorities on Sunday violently dispersed a peaceful protest by hundreds of depositors, who sought in vain to demand their life savings back from banks that have run into a deepening cash crisis.

Since April, four rural banks in China’s central Henan province have frozen millions of dollars worth of deposits, threatening the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of customers in an economy already battered by draconian Covid lockdowns.

Anguished depositors have staged several demonstrations in the city of Zhengzhou, the provincial capital of Henan, over the past two months, but their demands have invariably fallen on deaf ears.

On Sunday, more than 1,000 depositors from across China gathered outside the Zhengzhou branch of the country’s central bank, the People’s Bank of China, to launch their largest protest yet, more than half a dozen protesters told CNN.

The demonstration is among the largest China has seen since the pandemic, with domestic travel limited by various Covid restrictions on movement. Last month, Zhengzhou authorities even resorted to tampering with the country’s digital Covid health-code system to restrict the movements of depositors and thwart their planned protest, sparking a nationwide outcry.

This time, most protesters arrived outside the bank before dawn – some as early as 4 a.m. – to avoid being intercepted by authorities. The crowd, which includes the elderly and children, occupied a flight of imposing stairs outside the bank, chanting slogans and holding up banners.

“Henan banks, return my savings!” they shouted in unison, many waving Chinese flags, in videos shared with CNN by two protesters.

Using national flags to display patriotism is a common strategy for protesters in China, where dissent is strictly suppressed. The tactic is meant to show that their grievances are only against local governments, and that they support and rely on the central government to seek redress.

“Against the corruption and violence of the Henan government,” a banner written in English read.

A large portrait of late Chinese leader Mao Zedong was pasted on a pillar at the entrance of the bank.

Across the street, hundreds of police and security personnel – some in uniforms and others in plain clothes – assembled and surrounded the site, as protesters shouted “gangsters” at them.

Violent crackdown

The face-off lasted for several hours until after 11 a.m., when rows of security officers suddenly charged up the stairs and clashed with protesters, who threw bottles and other small objects at them.

The scene quickly descended into chaos, as security officers dragged protesters down the stairs and beat those who resisted, including women and the elderly, according to witnesses and social media videos.

One woman from eastern Shandong province told CNN she was pushed to the ground by two security guards, who twisted and injured her arm. A 27-year-old man from the southern city of Shenzhen, surnamed Sun, said he was kicked by seven or eight guards on the ground before being carried away. A 45-year-old man from the central city of Wuhan said his shirt was completely torn at the back during the scuffle.

The protest outside the Zhengzhou branch of the country's central bank, the People's Bank of China, is the largest one depositors have staged in recent months. - Provided to CNN
Many said they were shocked by the sudden burst of violence by the security forces.

“I did not expect them to be so violent and shameless this time. There was no communication, no warning before they brutally dispersed us,” said one depositor from a metropolis outside Henan who had protested in Zhengzhou previously, and who requested CNN conceal his name due to security concerns.

“Why would government employees beat us up? We’re only ordinary people asking for our deposits back, we did nothing wrong,” the Shandong woman said.

The protesters were hurled onto dozens of buses and sent to makeshift detention sites across the city – from hotels and schools to factories, according to people taken there. Some injured were escorted to hospitals; many were released from detention by the late afternoon, the people said.

CNN has reached out to the Henan provincial government for comment.

The Zhengzhou Business District Police Station – which has jurisdiction over the protest site – hung up on CNN’s call requesting comment.

Late on Sunday night, the Henan banking regulator issued a terse statement, saying “relevant departments” were speeding up efforts to verify information on customer funds at the four rural banks.

“(Authorities) are coming up with a plan to deal with the issue, which will be announced in the near future,” the statement said.

Shattered lives

The protest comes at a politically sensitive time for the ruling Communist Party, just months before its leader Xi Jinping is expected to seek an unprecedented third term at a key meeting this fall.

Large-scale demonstrations over lost savings and ruined livelihoods could be perceived as a political embarrassment for Xi, who has promoted a nationalistic vision of leading the country to “great rejuvenation.”

Henan authorities are under tremendous pressure to stop the protests. But depositors remain undeterred. As the issue drags on, many have become ever more desperate to recover their savings.

Huang, the depositor from Wuhan, lost his job in the medical cosmetology industry this year, as businesses struggled in the pandemic. Yet he is unable to withdraw any of his life savings – of over 500,000 yuan ($75,000) – from a rural bank in Henan.

“Being unemployed, all I can live on is my past savings. But I can’t even do that now – how am I supposed to (support my family)?” said Huang, whose son is in high school.

Sun, from Shenzhen, is struggling to keep his machine factory from bankruptcy after losing his deposit of 4 million yuan ($597,000) to a Henan bank. He can’t even pay his more than 40 employees without the funds.

Sun said he was covered in bruises and had a swollen lower back after being repeatedly stomped by security guards at the protest.

“The incident completely overturned my perception of the government. I’ve lived all my life placing so much faith in the government. After today, I’ll never trust it again,” he said.

CNN’s Beijing bureau and Yong Xiong contributed to this report.



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Its becoming harder to find safe spaces to store wealth everyday. Even the reputation of banks isn't what it used to be.

Interestingly, these bank runs in china appear to affect mainly rural areas. Banks located in cities do not appear to be affected. I wonder if it could be tied to rising cost of natural gas based fertilizer in farming communities or other financial difficulties brought on by rising fossil fuel prices. In which case, we could see similar trends in other nations emerge as well.

Evergrande is a hot topic for chinese debt. There is also their outstanding vehicle loan bubble which is denominated in trillions. Banks in the country have needed debt renegotiating in years past to avoid these types of bank runs. These types of stories have been published for years without much apparent effect on china's economy.

Many predicted the imminent demise of china's economy over the past 20 years. None have so far been accurate. Perhaps modern day economies are more durable and resilient than we realize and doom and gloom will never materialize.

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July 12, 2022, 05:16:57 AM
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Don't store your life savings in one bank, split it between multiple banks or if you are daring, between multiple banks, and multiple crypto wallets.


[PS. protests don't solve anything in China. Or in the US for that matter. They actually do not solve anything in other countries as well, unless the ruling regime is either sympathetic to them or too weak to oppose them.]

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July 12, 2022, 05:38:35 AM
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The government of China is a communist and that's not something people don't know about them. they suspend bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in their country and they will block some websites from the internet to keep people away from the free internet to avoid letting people know about the truth of the economic situation in their country, while they will control all the economic-related news All they want from banning bitcoin and limitation of the economic activities is they want their people to invest the money in Chinese banks and now as this article clearly says that's the way for them to be one of the greatest economic powers in the world even by forcing people to do what they don't want to do.

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July 12, 2022, 05:58:54 AM
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Its becoming harder to find safe spaces to store wealth everyday. Even the reputation of banks isn't what it used to be.

In the end, despite the bear market we find ourselves in, news like this reminds us that the best way to store wealth is in bitcoin by managing your private keys yourself. The problem is that I don't know if in the case of China it would be of much use to them, as they will have difficulty exchanging it for local currency or goods and services:

Crypto is fully banned in China and 8 other countries

Although despite restrictions and prohibitions, there is always a black market where it is traded.

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July 12, 2022, 07:41:35 AM
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So the main reason is that bank stopped withdrawing money, but funds are still on users accounts and they can use their money for online payments or paying by card? Bank clients investments are frozen, but they are not lost or bank havent started bankrupt process yet? Our local news portal mention, that authorities are aware of this situation and promised to start investigation of this case and from next Monday to start "paying out" frozen funds.

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July 12, 2022, 07:59:58 AM
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You know what surprised me? That the people are angry enough to actually have a mass protest. Shouldn't be a no-brainer in general, but let's not forget that this is Communist China; in which I'd personally think twice attempting to protest. Hope these poor people wouldn't be tagged and followed to their homes and those stuff.

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July 12, 2022, 08:35:03 AM
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Chinese government has no respect for the right of its citizens, hence I am not surprise. I am sure the there saving is not lost because all bank depositors funds is insured by the Chinese Deposit Guarantee Scheme (DGS). China claim to be a democratic nation but they are far from its principles. But these fearless Chinese citizens deserves all the credit because in the face intimidation and sometimes injury and death they still stand firm to oppose the political highhandedness of its government. I just hope that this withdrawal restrictions would soon be lifted to enable these rural dwellers get their financial lives back.   

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July 12, 2022, 09:04:31 AM
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Don't store your life savings in one bank, split it between multiple banks or if you are daring, between multiple banks, and multiple crypto wallets.

Multiple banks, multiple wallets, multiple types of wealth, ... indeed this is the best option.

[PS. protests don't solve anything in China. Or in the US for that matter. They actually do not solve anything in other countries as well, unless the ruling regime is either sympathetic to them or too weak to oppose them.]

It always depend on the size. If the size of protests gets greater than a threshold (or something like that), the police and army will join to protests (since they have the same problems and their families may be protesting. And then the government, no matter how powerful it is, will go down. (Of course, it doesn't mean that the new regime will be any better.)

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July 12, 2022, 10:27:10 AM
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You know what surprised me? That the people are angry enough to actually have a mass protest. Shouldn't be a no-brainer in general, but let's not forget that this is Communist China; in which I'd personally think twice attempting to protest. Hope these poor people wouldn't be tagged and followed to their homes and those stuff.

Actually, protest do erupt in China quite often, the internet is heavenly censored and we can't get all of them but there were a lot during Covid, you can google for videos about the clash in Jiangxi, there were a few even on youtube with protesters denied entry jumping on police cars. The thing is that those get quashed really easy, and there is no serious follow-up as police come in force, but spontaneous ones are far more numerous than one could imagine.

Whoever sees all Chinese people as completely obedient robots in front of their authorities and not having the guts to protest when they feel things have crossed the line is mistaken, and that's why this over-exaggerated control done by the authorities, they know the danger of the sparks is there.

Anyhow, this is the follow-up
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62130744

Xi will not risk anything before his re-election, he is throwing money at everything, including a 220 billions stimulus like package for the local governments that are deep in debt, and will be used to pay for all at least part of the debt in infrastructure projects to keep things going as that one is the major growth factor to the economy and is currently underwater.

For now crisis will be averted, but that will not happen forever.


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July 12, 2022, 03:49:04 PM
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People do not get what's actually happening in China. So if you are getting the news that banks in China are not repaying their depositors, the actual situation might be very very different and more serious than it looks like. It is a dictator run country and not much news comes out to the rest of the world.

We all have to remember that Karma bites back. Chinese nationals are infamous for hacking and various other types of cyber attacks. They have given loans to other countries and taken over strategical positions from the defaulters to strengthen their military presence. Now the same debt trap is crushing their own citizens. All good!

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July 12, 2022, 07:43:31 PM
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All these problems came before Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), which will make the cancellation of fortunes is a few clicks on the computer.

We must deal with news from China with some caution some of it bias like the author focused on violence more than the cause.

Back to the main topic, some banks have a clause on freezing cash transactions, so expect that you will not be able to withdraw your money, and there is a similar story in Lebanon (Lebanese cannot access money in banks since late 2019) so you should avoid put all your money in the banking system.
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July 12, 2022, 10:55:49 PM
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We are on the verge of some very amazing events... "Global economic growth leader" - China, as reality shows, is likely to be the biggest and loudest bubble to burst in the modern history of mankind!
The internal problems of China's overheated and heavily dependent on exports and investment economy are slowly but surely tearing apart the economy from the inside.
As you know, there is another "call". Very unpleasant for China - the restoration of production in the US, and the "return" of many industries from China to the US. And this means an outflow of investment from the United States, a global decline in foreign exchange earnings and the loss of the most important markets. Markets that provide a lot of stable currency, markets that are ready to absorb a huge amount of goods made in China. And then a chain reaction will begin - no demand = closure of factories and plants = explosive growth in unemployment = increased burden on the budget (less taxes, more social spending) = global decline in living standards = global decline in industrial production = decrease in gold and foreign exchange reserves and increased internal tension. .. This is so, an approximate picture ... I'm sure it will soon be "more interesting" in real life Smiley

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July 13, 2022, 05:20:51 AM
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Don't store your life savings in one bank, split it between multiple banks or if you are daring, between multiple banks, and multiple crypto wallets.


[PS. protests don't solve anything in China. Or in the US for that matter. They actually do not solve anything in other countries as well, unless the ruling regime is either sympathetic to them or too weak to oppose them.]

When it comes to protecting our wealth things are getting more and more difficult and with inflation being so high using fiat is a bad proposition, and even if we decide to go for a store of value like gold we will need to always be on our guard as there is a lot of fake gold out there and we could get scammed, real estate could be a good option but at least where I live the prices are soaring out of control, so holding bitcoin seems like the best choice at the moment for someone like me.

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July 14, 2022, 07:21:21 PM
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Don't store your life savings in one bank, split it between multiple banks or if you are daring, between multiple banks, and multiple crypto wallets.


[PS. protests don't solve anything in China. Or in the US for that matter. They actually do not solve anything in other countries as well, unless the ruling regime is either sympathetic to them or too weak to oppose them.]

When it comes to protecting our wealth things are getting more and more difficult and with inflation being so high using fiat is a bad proposition, and even if we decide to go for a store of value like gold we will need to always be on our guard as there is a lot of fake gold out there and we could get scammed, real estate could be a good option but at least where I live the prices are soaring out of control, so holding bitcoin seems like the best choice at the moment for someone like me.

Aren't bank's close to the humans than anything else. I am not surprised seeing such you see. Since they banned the use of Bitcoin and everything that has to do with crypto I knew something like this was cooking up, is this any different with what happened at Canada ? The truckers funds were seized and I am still sure they never had them back.

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July 14, 2022, 08:08:37 PM
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I wish people did not start to increasingly use card over cash because this is what it could ultimately lead to.  When a bank does not give you your money back, you can scream, throw stuff at the bank and whatever but as long as you kept your money in the bank, it was always pretty much their property and not yours anymore.  We see something similar with Bitcoin when people keep their coins in a Custodial Wallet.  Big, big mistake.  Stop being so comfortable and start taking care of your stuff by yourself, stop throwing responsibility on others.

[PS. protests don't solve anything in China. Or in the US for that matter. They actually do not solve anything in other countries as well, unless the ruling regime is either sympathetic to them or too weak to oppose them.]
Plus, protests in many countries are usually never started and maintained by no names.  I or you can typically not organize a big protest.  You need influence, and if you have influence it is very often that you are not the cleanest and most innocent figure.  Sometimes, this is how the largest unwanted changes in laws and regulations are done.  Just organize a good enough protest for a good enough reason and the changes everyone would have hated a month ago are now wanted by everyone.

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I guess banks are not safe anymore, everyone are panicking due to the inflation effects that really affected our global economy. Even big countries are suffering from high rate inflation this year and good thing I withdrew all my money in the banks and put it much more high returns in the future. This is also a good thing about crypto currency and for sure some people minding about putting their money on bitcoin instead on banks.

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of course banks don't want to lose their money (even if it's actually their customers' money) because they know that when a large number of people withdraw their money from the bank it will be disastrous because it will disrupt the liquidity of the bank.. especially in today's condition where the economy is very unstable .. so the most correct solution right now is to save cash and don't rely too much on the bank

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The government of China is a communist and that's not something people don't know about them. they suspend bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in their country and they will block some websites from the internet to keep people away from the free internet to avoid letting people know about the truth of the economic situation in their country, while they will control all the economic-related news All they want from banning bitcoin and limitation of the economic activities is they want their people to invest the money in Chinese banks and now as this article clearly says that's the way for them to be one of the greatest economic powers in the world even by forcing people to do what they don't want to do.
Again communism is to blame. Under communism, there would be no private banks, and this situation would not exist either.
Most banks have long been bankrupt, but they still continue to operate.There is another opinion that this is an experiment to get people to use CBDC.

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