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October 08, 2022, 03:13:14 PM
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Ray Dalio, an American billionaire investor and hedge fund manager, who has served as co-chief investment officer of the world's largest hedge fund.
And he says it happened before.

So today I want to talk about how the world works and how do we deal with it according to Ray Dalio.
Watch full video here

👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8&t=13s

So, how does the world work?
For every powerful nation there is a big cycle - the rise and fall.
It all goes like this:
1. Peace, prosperity and productivity.
2. Financial bubble and big wealth gap.
3. Financial bust and economic downturn.
4. Printing money and credit.
5. Revolutions and wars.
6. Debt and political restructuring.
7. New world order.
 
🔁And repeat.

We are part of the changing world order – we see the early decline of American "empire" as well as the rise of the Chinese.
For previous empires the transition of power happened in 10-20 years.

There are few principles that can help us navigate through these times successfully:
🔹Principle 1.
When central banks print a lot of money, buy stocks, gold, and commodities.
Their value will rise while value of paper money will fall.
🔹Principle 2.
To understand what is coming at you, you need to understand what happened before you.
Ever wondered how did the "roaring" twenties bubble turn into 1930s depression?
🔹Principle 3.
A Nation's Greatest war is with Itself.
Over whether or not it can make the hard decisions needed to sustain success.
🔹Principle 4.
We need to earn more than we spend.
🔹Principle 5.
Treat each other well.
 
These two are self-explanatory.

Never before we've seen the falling elites clinging to power and money.  
But from the looks of things now – that's the kind of events that are about to happen.  

We don't know the level of their madness and we don't know what lengths they are willing to go to.
The possibilities are endless.
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October 08, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
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Economic downturn is a consequence of economic prosperity and not necessarily a means to an end.

The British empire was still the British empire after some major stagnations (like 1850). Most empires are no more and international markets correlate to each other more than ever. The US will probably give way to more than one country if it starts to decline (China probably won't see much growth and is seeing its own economic downturn even before rejecting western vaccines).
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October 08, 2022, 05:10:10 PM
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(China probably won't see much growth and is seeing its own economic downturn even before rejecting western vaccines).

Especially with hausing boubble that is anormous:



And reverse wealth effect, unemployment spike, and deleverage of whole system, that we will see after it break...

China itself is close to recession if not depression. So its possible that this time is not about "transition of power in 10-20 years" but rather several generations (fe. 100 years) of poverty after centuries of prosperity for whole word.
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October 08, 2022, 05:58:58 PM
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A recommendation that we should be prepared for volatility, focus on diversification, and build various financial plans from Ray Dalio. In my view, this can only be done if we are able to clearly see what will happen and anticipate the consequences before it is too late.

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October 08, 2022, 06:29:07 PM
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OP your topic could have best fit in on economics than bitcoin discussion, even though we never expect a better yesterday in our economic dealings which makes it the fact that we all expect the good experience ahead to come, we all know how the economy has been battling with inflation but that does not makes our weak point to how far we can go with bitcoin which network is entirely different from fiat economy and inflation, it's always good to plan ahead and make room for alternatives but this current dip is not attributed to the ongoing inflation because bitcoin price itself is volatile and fiat is not, it rather work by inflation which is what we all experience whenever a price goes up it never comes down, so if you don't want to see more coming in different ways, an alternative economy is the key and bitcoin in an option that best suit such period.



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October 09, 2022, 07:05:27 AM
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I see that you are trying to link historical facts, which is the fall of empires, with a modern economic philosophy, which is completely wrong.
Shares have appeared in recent years and the United States has risen as a global power after a world war, and thus the link between them is not supported by historical facts.
As for the rest of the principles, they are general and we need to use them in all charters.
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October 09, 2022, 05:49:54 PM
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It's important that these sort of narratives that try to explain the world in a handful of stages or something like this are not scientific because it's just choosing the events that fit into the picture while ignoring other events. While there are periods of prosperity of global economy and times when it faces big difficulties, political events and things like 'political restructuring', 'new world order' are quite abstract, less measurable and a matter of debate. Politics doesn't perfectly align with economics, and by highlighting different events people can create different narratives.
Also Principle 3 about nation's greatest war being with itself - well tell that to countries which are being torn by wars waged upon them by a foreign enemy. Ukraine's greatest war is now with Russia, not internal and not about policies related to economic prosperity at all. As for Principle 4 - it's super easy to say 'earn more than you spend' when you're a billionaire, and it's way harder said than done for the majority of people.

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October 09, 2022, 08:27:02 PM
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Not against what the OP or Ray Dalio, but sometimes they make things complicated for ordinary people with this kind of explanations, we have heard the world "New World Order" ever since and that we will see shift of power. Nevertheless, nothing is happening, Yes, China challenge US in the last 10-15 years and they even have their own silent trade war specially highlighted or magnified by Trump,. But everything is in a cycle, recession and then recovery, we shouldn't invent terms and have so much explanation etc. etc.
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October 10, 2022, 05:32:57 AM
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🔹Principle 1.
When central banks print a lot of money, buy stocks, gold, and commodities.
Their value will rise while value of paper money will fall.
This is wrong in this context. We are talking about new world order and economies falling apart not just simple inflation! In other words when economy falls apart, the stock market falls apart too. It is stupid to invest in stocks at times like this.
As for commodities, it is not possible to physically buy them. For example you can't buy natural gas that is going up in value and store it!
The only thing left is gold which could be a good option.

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October 10, 2022, 11:47:14 PM
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If there are new world orders, is it safe to say their goal is to conquer the world?

Has the world seen past conquerors who tried to achieve something similar? Alexander the Great. Genghis Khan. Napoleon. Etc.

To a degree, we might draw upon past history in an effort to put the present day world into its proper context. Empires rise and fall. People live and die. Bad ideas usually die off, having little real world application or value. While good ideas normally survive to define the future. The trouble with this line of progression is people forget history. They forget which ideas were good and which were bad. Which forces them to relearn through first hand experience. The generation gap prevents future generations from learning from their ancestors. Knowledge isn't transmitted as well as it could be.

Many of these topics come down to fundamental validity of ideas. People support ideas they believe are correct. Economic prosperity or recession occur as a result. If we're lucky people learn and make better choices in the future. That's all that we can do. Its our hope for the future.
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October 11, 2022, 12:38:29 AM
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You have said alot; they're all true, without a doubt but, to you alone. I hope yunno that everyone's not gonna dance to your tune?!

It is good to study history and it's very ideal or rather, seemingly logical to assume them to the present or the future but it's also good understand some terms properly just so you can diversify and extract whatever meaning out of a word's ambiguity.
Lemme make you understand that bitcoin LEANS on FIAT and survives a step from its evolution and also faces the retardation innit too. Remember, the bulls had money already, a long time ago, until Bitcoin was evolved. Alot of peeps hodling coins have made trnxs, the type that their country's currency was converted. Have you ever asked yourself what happens when Dollar falls ? The impact it's creates on every marketing strategy? That's because Bitcoin isn't a Perfect currency. I see it as a store if value for the time being.

The ill-logic behind how an economy of a county makes progression on a gross or net rate is still unknown to me or you.
However, Fiat won't be easily toppled; if it is , then it'll take a longer time .

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October 11, 2022, 01:09:04 AM
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If there are new world orders, is it safe to say their goal is to conquer the world?

Has the world seen past conquerors who tried to achieve something similar? Alexander the Great. Genghis Khan. Napoleon. Etc.

To a degree, we might draw upon past history in an effort to put the present day world into its proper context. Empires rise and fall. People live and die. Bad ideas usually die off, having little real world application or value. While good ideas normally survive to define the future. The trouble with this line of progression is people forget history. They forget which ideas were good and which were bad. Which forces them to relearn through first hand experience. The generation gap prevents future generations from learning from their ancestors. Knowledge isn't transmitted as well as it could be.

Many of these topics come down to fundamental validity of ideas. People support ideas they believe are correct. Economic prosperity or recession occur as a result. If we're lucky people learn and make better choices in the future. That's all that we can do. Its our hope for the future.

Those conquerors didn't take it all to Asia or the whole world, it should be different this time because there are two superpowers joining forces against the west such as China and Russia.

Ray Dalio looked at the pattern in the past and how it could possibly happen again and it seems like we are there. It would be very devastating if US prefers war before its decline. It's best to just accept and develop the Isolated continent of America to establish the multipolar world order and NOT the new world order.


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Weak people create hard times, hard times create strong people, strong people create easy times, and easy times create weak people. It’s a cycle because we have to have these kinds of things as human population, not just in one nation but in all nations. This is why it is easier for us to end up with bad periods in our live time, a few of them, but that shouldn't really take away from the fact that we had some good times as well.

For example, the 2008 crisis was bad, and 2020 and afterwards was bad too, but there was a 10 year period in 2010 to 2020 when it was ok, maybe not the best but globally it was ok. Those are the times we should look at before we judge the bad times as well.

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October 11, 2022, 05:56:39 AM
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This "new world order" thing has quickly becoming complete gibberish. All the anti-western "analysts" keep talking about a "new world order" but all I see is authoritarian regimes(Russia, China, Iran) vs. the democratic countries. Is this the so called "new world order"?
So the "Chinese empire" is rising, but China also has big debts and financial bubbles. Can this "billionaire investor" guy explain this simple fact?
Does he think that China offers an alternative to freedom and democracy? What is the alternative? Being censored, having no political rights and working like a slave 12 hours a day for a miserable salary? That's a great alternative. Grin
I'm no fan of USA and the US foreign policy, but Russia and China don't provide any compelling alternative to the USA.

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October 12, 2022, 02:32:51 PM
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This "new world order" thing has quickly becoming complete gibberish. All the anti-western "analysts" keep talking about a "new world order" but all I see is authoritarian regimes(Russia, China, Iran) vs. the democratic countries. Is this the so called "new world order"?
So the "Chinese empire" is rising, but China also has big debts and financial bubbles. Can this "billionaire investor" guy explain this simple fact?
Does he think that China offers an alternative to freedom and democracy? What is the alternative? Being censored, having no political rights and working like a slave 12 hours a day for a miserable salary? That's a great alternative. Grin
I'm no fan of USA and the US foreign policy, but Russia and China don't provide any compelling alternative to the USA.
It is basically a question mark on how you could improve as a nation vs individually. In a world where only one person rules the nation, if that person is a good person, then he could improve the nation, but not on an individual level, you would live a horrible life, but the nation will be strong, look at China, they caused a lot of worker deaths and harsh conditions and cheap manufacturing, but that did allow them to gain a ton of USA debt, but regular person didn't profit from it.

In comparison look at USA, they are crumbling, their finances are terrible, they have so much debt, high inflation, but everyone would prefer to be an American with a job then a Chinese person with a job, that’s the difference.

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October 12, 2022, 07:19:59 PM
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So today I want to talk about how the world works and how do we deal with it according to Ray Dalio.
Watch full video here
👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8&t=13s

Yeah, I just love how one tries to find a pattern by purposely removing inconvenient facts from history.
If you look at what he has picked, the Dutch, English empires, and the US, it's like you see a pattern there, but if one has barely touched the history books he might remember there were a few more, like the French Empire that almost conquered Europe, or the Spanish Empire that held most of Americas at one point, and if you throw those into the mix the cycles becomes really weird, and if you extend the timeline before 1500 then it's definitely a mess.

Also, what this study forgets to mention is one huge difference between all of them and the US, none of the other empires was safe from the war on its territory, and not even the Chinese were safe since from Mongol to Japanese times we can see that in history. The US is simply out of the way of global conflicts, wherever a ww3 will erupt it will for sure not be in North America, unless somehow Canada decided to invade, which would be probably the surprise of the millennium.
And this brings up the need for defense and the loss of possible revenue, the British had to protect colonies all over the world, the Romans had to protect cities thousands of km from the capital, and France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey all had troubles at the border and risked formerly annexed territories to run amok, in the US, where is this danger? Well, nowhere!

We are part of the changing world order – we see the early decline of American "empire" as well as the rise of the Chinese.

Yeah yeah, my grandfather was promised that in newspapers, and my father was told so on the radio, I'm reading this all day on the internet and I have a feeling even in induced telepathic orgies my grandson will hear the same.

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