Gambling Signature Trap Trolls

[goldkingcoiner]

I noticed the following troll behavior in the gambling forum:

1. You post a good quality post in a good quality topic, which does not get deleted by a mod.
2. OP deletes the entire thread minutes/hours just before the signature week is over.
3. You end up missing multiple posts from your paid signature.

Not only do you miss out on the weeks payment, this also makes you look bad in the eyes of the signature manager.

Normally, this would not be a problem for people who make more than enough posts. But it seems some topic starters are trolling on purpose by doing this.

Not the first time this has happened to me and it is starting to become infuriating. This is not fair, especially for people who are trying to earn some money with signatures. No reason, no warning. Topics deleted within minutes of end of the week. And I make sure to check my posts carefully 2-3 hours before the end of the week, so this is not a coincidence, it seems.

Solution: I am thinking Bitcointalk should introduce a timed countdown for deletion and a notification system which notifies the posters before their posts are deleted? Just so we are warned that our post will be getting deleted in a certain amount of time? - excluding justified moderator deletions of crap topics/posts, because there is already a notification system for that.

[Solosanz]

I remember there's a user did this before, the best way is just avoid to post if the @OP of that thread is a newbie or user who received negative feedback.

Honestly I wonder why you seems to be mad and make this problem bigger, if you're not regularly make many posts (more than 20 posts/week) then this campaign isn't suit for you and no one force you to join the campaign. Before joining a campaign, make sure you read the whole rules and you're okay with it, including such kind risk.

I wouldn't support your solution, it will make an another problem for moderators or other users who want to delete their thread because of accident etc.

Anyway this problem isn't only happen on gambling section, any users can did this in every sections.

[goldkingcoiner]

I remember there's a user did this before, the best way is just avoid to post if the @OP of that thread is a newbie or user who received negative feedback.

Honestly I wonder why you seems to be mad and make this problem bigger, if you're not regularly make many posts (more than 20 posts/week) then this campaign isn't suit for you and no one force you to join the campaign. Before joining a campaign, make sure you read the whole rules and you're okay with it, including such kind risk.

I wouldn't support your solution, it will make an another problem for moderators or other users who want to delete their thread because of accident etc.

Anyway this problem isn't only happen on gambling section, any users can did this in every sections.

We have more than enough posters in the gambling sub-forums, we do not need to make it a bigger shit-show than it already is by adding extra padded posts without good reason, only to be safe from trolls. Quality>Quantity. As far as I am aware, we are trying to minimize the gambling section spam, so recommending more filler posts to compensate for possible deleted posts is a bad idea.

Gambling Signature campaigners post 10-15 gambling posts/week usually. Deleted topics do become a problem if you have multiple posts in the same topic.

I fail to see how my solution would be a problem. It gives people a fair, timely warning. I have nothing against people deleting accidental topics but deleting established topics with many posts just before the end of the week is not ok.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If you see that the topic is self-moderated, just pass by. Topics cannot be deleted entirely if the author does not violate the rules. And this can either be plagiarism or a low-quality post. Usually, such posts are complete copies of other people's articles, but with a link to the source. And even in this case, the moderators will not delete the topic because other users have answered it.
And also, the topic can be moved to a section where signatures will not be visible, and accordingly, managers will not pay for these posts.
As a result of what has been said, do not post on self-moderated topics.

[PX-Z]

2. OP deletes the entire thread minutes/hours just before the signature week is over.

Is it? or mods just moved it to trashcan?

Sounds like this problem is related to signature campaigns particularly post counts. If this is really an issue, better to post on a thread/topic that has lower chance to be deleted then don't just make a post for bare minimum on the campaign's requirements. Besides there are lots of good forum proposals suggested before by other members yet theymos didn't mind it, how about just this one.

[Poker Player]

I noticed the following troll behavior in the gambling forum:

1. You post a good quality post in a good quality topic, which does not get deleted by a mod.
2. OP deletes the entire thread minutes/hours just before the signature week is over.
3. You end up missing multiple posts from your paid signature.

Not only do you miss out on the weeks payment, this also makes you look bad in the eyes of the signature manager.

I haven't noticed it. You'd better be more selective with where you post. In my current signature campaign I have no posting requirements in the gambling section, but I do go there and write posts. In other previous campaigns I did have a minimum posting requirement, and it happened that the odd thread was moved to off-topic or something or it was deleted, but I think if you are selective with where you post and write like 2/3 posts over the weekly requirement you won't have a problem. I have never been left without payment because threads were deleted or moved.

Solution: I am thinking Bitcointalk should introduce a timed countdown for deletion and a notification system which notifies the posters before their posts are deleted? Just so we are warned that our post will be getting deleted in a certain amount of time? - excluding justified moderator deletions of crap topics/posts, because there is already a notification system for that.

No way is that going to be implemented. Follow my advice above.

[goldkingcoiner]

I haven't noticed it. You'd better be more selective with where you post.

The problem could be easily solved if I only post ONCE in every gambling discussion topic. But that seems so very boring. How are you supposed to have a decent gambling discussion if you need to be nervous that 2-3 (or more) of your posts can be deleted just because you posted them in the same topic? And I only post in quality topics, not randomly.

Also, I am not a minimum poster. I make more than enough posts with extra on top. The problem is that I like to have discussions with multiple posts in the same topic. I cannot do this if I have to look over my shoulder every time because someone might delete the entire topic.

I am more upset about the fact that I took my time to type up good quality responses which got deleted. This has less to do with the signature pay. Rather I do not enjoy wasting time by typing up good posts which get deleted for seemingly malicious reasons.

It just does not seem right to me.

[Rikafip]

The problem could be easily solved if I only post ONCE in every gambling discussion topic. But that seems so very boring. How are you supposed to have a decent gambling discussion if you need to be nervous that 2-3 (or more) of your posts can be deleted just because you posted them in the same topic? And I only post in quality topics, not randomly.

If you are only posting in quality topics started by members who have good reputation in gambling board, how exactly are you having issues with deleted topics by trolls?

Anyway, I don't think that is necessary to introduce solution that you suggested just so members who are barely filling their signature quotas have time to write few more (shit)posts in order to meet their signature quotas and get paid. Being careful where you write and always make few posts extra should do the trick. And if those who are not selective where they write occasionally don't get paid, so be it.

[Zilon]

I haven't noticed it. You'd better be more selective with where you post.

The problem could be easily solved if I only post ONCE in every gambling discussion topic. But that seems so very boring. How are you supposed to have a decent gambling discussion if you need to be nervous that 2-3 (or more) of your posts can be deleted just because you posted them in the same topic? And I only post in quality topics, not randomly.

It could be the second or third post on the same thread might be conflicting, I am just saying. No one finds it funny having their post deleted after so much thinking and careful word selection to ensure one drives in their point. I think if after the first post on a thread and subsequent replies get deleted, then be selective on where you post. To be safer add extra posts so you meet up your signature quota

[joker_josue]

The best way to protect yourself from this type of situation is to avoid posting in self-moderated threads in these sections.

Sometimes, in the midst of these subjects, what bothers me the most is that it seems that the problem is always on the side of the person who makes the posts and not on the side of the OP in these self-moderated topics.

A self-moderated thread, your OP can delete as many posts as he likes, without any justification, whether the post is good or bad. Furthermore, the concept of good or bad quality is always very subjective and depends on each person's opinion, especially in the gambling section.

I often hear people say: that didn't happen to me; or you have to be careful with your posts; maybe you have to review your posts.
I think this is unfair, because the problem is not always on the side of the user who makes the posts.

Now if you ask what is the solution? Well, honestly the only solution I can see is for users to avoid auto-moderated threads.

[Little Mouse]

Solution:

It's a problem of signature campaign participants, not a problem for the forum itself. I don't think theymos is going to change/add a rule just to make sure signature campaign participants don't get in trouble. This is not a solid reason, can't be.
It's a pain when you participate in a campaign where you are required to do X times of posts in a single board which was the reason I left OWL.games signature campaign. I was getting tired to force myself to post in the gambling section though I usually post there but having such a fixed rule is somewhat hard to follow.
I would recommend you
1. To stop posting on self-moderated threads though this won't be a solution.
2. Join a campaign where no specific board post isn't required.
3. Join a pay-per-post campaign.

[LogitechMouse]

Been in signature campaign for years and I didn't encounter this problem at all.
I didn't experience me failing out of the quota requirement because of the deletion of the thread.

Maybe the reason why I didn't experience this is because I'm only posting in threads that have been there for quite some time and not to some thread that just been created a week ago or two. Another reason is that I'm posting more than 10 in gambling section so that I have an extra incase the worst thing happens like what happened to OP. I agree with what others said that avoid self-moderated thread or if you really want to post on those threads, just think that it will not count as your gambling post at all.

With regards to the solution, I don't think it will be implemented or the mods will do something about it. It's the problem of the signature participant and not the mods. It's the participants that will adjust.

[virasog]

I noticed the following troll behavior in the gambling forum:

1. You post a good quality post in a good quality topic, which does not get deleted by a mod.
2. OP deletes the entire thread minutes/hours just before the signature week is over.
3. You end up missing multiple posts from your paid signature.

Not only do you miss out on the weeks payment, this also makes you look bad in the eyes of the signature manager.

Normally, this would not be a problem for people who make more than enough posts. But it seems some topic starters are trolling on purpose by doing this.

Not the first time this has happened to me and it is starting to become infuriating. This is not fair, especially for people who are trying to earn some money with signatures. No reason, no warning. Topics deleted within minutes of end of the week. And I make sure to check my posts carefully 2-3 hours before the end of the week, so this is not a coincidence, it seems.

Solution: I am thinking Bitcointalk should introduce a timed countdown for deletion and a notification system which notifies the posters before their posts are deleted? Just so we are warned that our post will be getting deleted in a certain amount of time? - excluding justified moderator deletions of crap topics/posts, because there is already a notification system for that.

OP cannot delete the entire thread. Yes, if the thread is self-moderated, only then the OP can delete individual posts. Although Self moderated threads are made with the specific purpose to keep the thread within the context but some people may misuse it by deleting posts so they are denied of signature payments. I am sure no reputed member does this, only the news accounts like to do this as they themselves can't join the campaigns hence they take revenge by deleting posts for those who are in campaigns.

There are other threads that may be deleted by the mods as the topic is too generic or repeated many times.

So in order to minimize the effect, follow my 2-step advice.

1- Do not post in self-mod threads especially those started by the newbies.

2- Make 25% extra posts. For example, if the minimum Post count of your campaign is 20 posts, make sure to make 25 posts to keep yourself safe from these things.

[rat03gopoh]

This is more profitable for users participating in the campaign, but on the other hand it's detrimental to users without exception. Imagine if I spread malware links, I'll work more in that place iff your request is implemented.

I think adding 3 more posts is fine if you're used to posting in that board, otherwise move on to another campaign you're comfortable with the post requirements.

[Falconer]

The default notification system so far works fine for me specially when a post is removed by mod or by the OP on self-moderated thread. But I think notifications are also important when one thread is moved to a different board, and also important when a thread with all posts deleted by a mod.

I previously met the same fate when the OP moved his thread to board that was not counted as a valid post by the campaign manager just before the end of the week. I don't think it's a coincidence as it's likely that the OP has premeditated his lecherous intent to harm signature campaign posters. Usually this case is often done by newbie who don't really care about their reputation, so a temporary solution for me is to avoid posting on thread started by newbie or maybe by troll.