User @Amph - sale of BTT account via PM!

[Timelord2067]

@Amph - I've only read the first half dozen posts and am wading my way through the rest, but take my advice - change your passwords both here and on any social media that's been mentioned thus far.

Someone may have accessed your details and are shadowing you from within.  _{(does that have a name?  it seems nearly everything else around here does)}


We've had people here study screen shots in the past and verify they were fabricated - are any of them still around?


There was a user Mavy [BPIP] who woke up a while back then went back to sleep.  Not saying they are alts, however, from the one piece of evidence, that was a part of the user name.

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2013-06-29, 20:33:20 Date Registered: 	Mavy

12/16/2020 8:24:49 PM 	woke up		Mavy
2020-12-17, 06:30:34 Last Active: 	Mavy

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2013-04-14, 03:56:49 Date Registered: 	Amph
2023-02-24, 04:42:22 Last Active: 	Amph

Amph was last active four days ago.

Uhh... Forgive me to squeaking in with a rather confused tone, but why does it matter who sent what to who on the first place? I'm seriously asking here. I've tried to read the thread couple times and still couldn't see how it matters. The fact remains that Amph is willing to sell his account, as proven by his own evidence --self incrimination, that's rare.

Why is it still matter if Lucius is indeed TGing Amph first or it was someone else pretending to be him?

Agreed, this is very murky.  If the PM is found to be genuine (and there is no indication that Amph's account has been hacked) then it is an admission of an attempt to sell their account.

Both opponents have such high scores - Amph with the 4^th most posts and the OP with the 46^th most earned merits...

Very unusual.

[Welsh]

We've had people here study screen shots in the past and verify they were fabricated - are any of them still around?

Since, you can technically edit the code displayed on the front end of your browser, i.e go into developer tools, and change the code; then it's not really easy to verify whether a screenshot has been faked or not. Since, you can just edit it via your browser, and not through photo editing software. You can only really tell when something has been edited via photo editing tools, not via changing the code directly, and then capturing it.

However, I doubt that's what happened in this case. It does seem like Amph hasn't exactly denied they sent that message to Lucius.

[Timelord2067]

We've had people here study screen shots in the past and verify they were fabricated - are any of them still around?

Since, you can technically edit the code displayed on the front end of your browser, i.e go into developer tools, and change the code; then it's not really easy to verify whether a screenshot has been faked or not. Since, you can just edit it via your browser, and not through photo editing software. You can only really tell when something has been edited via photo editing tools, not via changing the code directly, and then capturing it.

However, I doubt that's what happened in this case. It does seem like Amph hasn't exactly denied they sent that message to Lucius.

It does seem as though a conversation occurred.  As to whether of not there was a man-in-the-middle who was coaxing information out of either or both, we may never know.  (then again both users could have been set up knowing they would bounce off of each-other.  The scenarios are endless.

I've been harassed on Telegram by a forum member in the past, and I think you're actually onto something here.  I don't doubt Lucius's claim that he didn't contact Amph on Telegram, and I don't doubt that Amph believes that he was contacted by Lucius.  There are some real sick drama queens here who just want to stir shit up.

Agreed.  See above.

Also i think it's time the forum take serious with the sending of unsolicited PMs on the forum by users, what @Lucius could have done is to reported such PM to he moderator at first when he received such invite.

The forum does, I'm not saying to not report unsolicited personal messages, but reporting a message in hopes to get it verified publicly isn't going to fit in with the moderation guidelines, and therefore wouldn't be done. Of course, Lucius could've reported the personal message for being unsolicited, and I do urge users to report unsolicited messages.

Lucius probably did the right thing for their reputation announcing this to the public, and in fact seemed to be quite sensitive about providing the evidence of the personal message at first, since it's generally considered that personal messages are indeed that; personal. We don't know the intentions of the user on Telegram that was impersonating Lucius, or at the very least implying some sort of deception that they're Lucius.

You do realise of course you're suggesting an admin or mod would be the one being unfaithful in breaching either users' privacy whilst reviewing their PM's ??

[Welsh]

You do realise of course you're suggesting an admin or mod would be the one being unfaithful in breaching either users' privacy whilst reviewing their PM's ??

I'm not sure what you mean, maybe the way I worded it was confusing; I'm saying that I encourage users to report unsolicited personal messages, but a global moderator or admin isn't going to post publicly about whether a personal message occurred i.e if you report a personal message in hopes to get it verified that it exists, that's not going to happen, since it technically isn't against the guidelines. Also, as Loyce pointed out; it might have been unsolicited for Lucius, but it wasn't for Amph since they were directed to contact Lucius. However, a global moderator or admin might consider it unsolicited enough to report, but it would probably require multiple messages for any action to be taken.

However, some users in the past have used DefaultTrust users to log in to their account, and verify the message exists, but I don't recommend that either. Since, there's privacy issues for other personal messages, and obviously a security risk. However, I don't think it's necessary either since Amph didn't deny they sent the message, but rather they were deceived.

If you mean by reporting it, it's putting both users privacy at risk; then yeah any personal message that is reported would be reviewed. However, it's recommended to use encrypted messages if you care about your privacy in personal messages, because they can be viewed by the admins, and globals if reported, which is technically something you risk every time you send a personal message.

It does seem as though a conversation occurred.  As to whether of not there was a man-in-the-middle who was coaxing information out of either or both, we may never know.  (then again both users could have been set up knowing they would bounce off of each-other.  The scenarios are endless.

Right, which is what I'm most interested about, since it's a rather odd scenario, which we'll probably never get to the bottom of unless there's more instances where this occurs, and we can get a little more information. At the moment, it appears to be a isolated case.

[Timelord2067]

Agreed and thanks for the clarification.

(Your second quote is of yourself, not me, but has been attributed to me).

[LoyceV]

@Amph - I've only read the first half dozen posts and am wading my way through the rest, but take my advice - change your passwords both here and on any social media that's been mentioned thus far.

Someone may have accessed your details and are shadowing you from within.  _{(does that have a name?  it seems nearly everything else around here does)}

Are you suggesting someone gained access to @Amph's account, and used it to send a PM to Lucius? It's possible, but I don't think it's very likely. The real Amph would have brought it up by now if that's the case.

[Lucius]

We've had people here study screen shots in the past and verify they were fabricated - are any of them still around?

Perhaps you should better read what was written by the one you are trying to defend for some reason, and if he admits that I posted a screenshot of the message he sent, what is this post of yours for? The way I see it, you (and some others) would very much like the one who sells his BTT account to become a victim, and the one who discovered this same member is to blame for the fact that the whole thing came to the public?

You are all wondering if the screenshot I published is credible, and no one has yet questioned whether the screenshot from Telegram is credible or fabricated - although even that has no significance in the whole story, unless someone decided to sacrifice their BTT account to trying to discredit me in some way.

[hilariousandco]

I can confirm that this post was reported:

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:

hi i'm Ericmavy from telegram, i want to sell this account

[Timelord2067]

@Amph - I've only read the first half dozen posts and am wading my way through the rest, but take my advice - change your passwords both here and on any social media that's been mentioned thus far.

Someone may have accessed your details and are shadowing you from within.  _{(does that have a name?  it seems nearly everything else around here does)}

Are you suggesting someone gained access to @Amph's account, and used it to send a PM to Lucius? It's possible, but I don't think it's very likely. The real Amph would have brought it up by now if that's the case.

@Amph hasn't been back online since being hammered in this thread days prior to my post and may have been too shell-shocked to think of that themselves. - I've now read the rest of the posts and added to the first post of mine as evidenced by the edits that occurred.  (...and yeh - I'll go into bat or someone who has the fourth most posts in the forum.  I show my respect for a person's prior accomplishments that way - I don't get out the tar, pitchforks and torches).

But it wouldn't hurt to change their password as [BPIP] shows they've never done so.

Perhaps you should better read what was written by the one you are trying to defend for some reason,

It's probably escaped your notice that Welsh and I have already discussed that issue.

I can confirm that this post was reported:

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:

hi i'm Ericmavy from telegram, i want to sell this account

Sad that a user has turned to selling their account.  I wonder what other UID's they have control over?


"reported" is not the same as "requested by Amph"

Timelord2067

2023-02-28

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It would appear this user's account is up for sale - take that into consideration if transacting with them. (Delete)

[holydarkness]

I can confirm that this post was reported:

Below are the original contents of the personal message which was reported:

hi i'm Ericmavy from telegram, i want to sell this account

This kinda seals the main point of the case, that Amph wanted to sell his account, disregarding who messaged who first, or why, or any other questions. I'll leave a neutral feedback as well, so future users would know the possibility of this account had moving hand.