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May 26, 2023, 05:59:39 AM
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Isn't crypto's intended purpose to eliminate the middleman? By requiring trust in a PoS system, you're bringing back centralized banking to crypto. Money talks, so don't expect this to change anytime soon.
Not all crypto are intended to eliminate the middleman, take a look with an obvious centralized coin e.g. XRP where they're supporting banks, USDT and other centralized stable coin where they're using fiat as a collateral. This is why if people hate of centralization and they choose to store their money in crypto to eliminate middleman, they need to be careful for not invest in a centralized coin.

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May 26, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
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I remember the good-old days where you could stake coins like Peercoin and Blackcoin on your own node in a decentralized (trustless) manner. After ETH announced its intentions to become a PoS coin, those days are over. Most PoS coins require you to "lend" your coins to a validator or third-party for you to start earning income right away. ETH, Polkadot, Polygon, and many others now work this way. Isn't crypto's intended purpose to eliminate the middleman? By requiring trust in a PoS system, you're bringing back centralized banking to crypto. Money talks, so don't expect this to change anytime soon.

Do you think there's hope for PoS to become decentralized again? If not, why? Can we blame governments and VCs for the path PoS has taken lately? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
PoW is highly decentralized and PoS made the ETH blockchain under control of less people so there won't be anymore days like those old days so if someone wants to stake then they have to trust the platform and need to take the risk but to be honest the APY doesn't really worth for the risk so don't stake probably lending for short term can be okay in p2p manner.

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May 26, 2023, 03:35:12 PM
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I remember the good-old days where you could stake coins like Peercoin and Blackcoin on your own node in a decentralized (trustless) manner. After ETH announced its intentions to become a PoS coin, those days are over. Most PoS coins require you to "lend" your coins to a validator or third-party for you to start earning income right away. ETH, Polkadot, Polygon, and many others now work this way. Isn't crypto's intended purpose to eliminate the middleman? By requiring trust in a PoS system, you're bringing back centralized banking to crypto. Money talks, so don't expect this to change anytime soon.

Do you think there's hope for PoS to become decentralized again? If not, why? Can we blame governments and VCs for the path PoS has taken lately? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley

There is nothing decentralized about Crypto, the way greed is destroying this space is very disturbing, the team and VCs hiding under the guise of decentralization by allocating 90% of the tokens among themselves, the funning thing is the community allocation, just ask yourself who the community are? POS is centralization and people seem okay with it and I have a feeling this is going to continue to get worse from here because what these people are doing is aligning themselves with the centralized government and protecting their own arse from government attack, they want to eat their cake and have it.

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May 28, 2023, 05:30:24 PM
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There is nothing decentralized about Crypto, the way greed is destroying this space is very disturbing, the team and VCs hiding under the guise of decentralization by allocating 90% of the tokens among themselves, the funning thing is the community allocation, just ask yourself who the community are? POS is centralization and people seem okay with it and I have a feeling this is going to continue to get worse from here because what these people are doing is aligning themselves with the centralized government and protecting their own arse from government attack, they want to eat their cake and have it.

Yes. It's very unfortunate how things are turning out to be for the crypto industry. VCs, whales, and other investors with huge economic interests are not thinking about decentralization at all. They're only thinking on what's most convenient for them. This is bad because it will give governments the power to manipulate crypto assets at will. We could apply this to the vast majority of PoS coins on the market. ETH, BNB, and similar coins are ruined because they will end up in the hands of centralized exchanges and mainstream governments in the long run. Bitcoin is safe for now because it uses PoW as its consensus mechanism.

There are some old-fashioned PoS coins that have stayed true to their word by preserving decentralization and censorship-resistance. However, they're not as popular as their centralized counterparts. At least, it's better something than nothing. As long as people have a choice, nothing else matters. Just my thoughts Grin

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May 29, 2023, 04:56:03 AM
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I remember the good-old days where you could stake coins like Peercoin and Blackcoin on your own node in a decentralized (trustless) manner. After ETH announced its intentions to become a PoS coin, those days are over. Most PoS coins require you to "lend" your coins to a validator or third-party for you to start earning income right away. ETH, Polkadot, Polygon, and many others now work this way. Isn't crypto's intended purpose to eliminate the middleman? By requiring trust in a PoS system, you're bringing back centralized banking to crypto. Money talks, so don't expect this to change anytime soon.

Do you think there's hope for PoS to become decentralized again? If not, why? Can we blame governments and VCs for the path PoS has taken lately? Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
Ethereum was captured a long time ago and there is no incentive to make it more decentralized or faster because middle men control staking and validating and make billions of dollars off of this. If you want something fair you need to look into REF on NEAR or Q Blockchain.
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May 30, 2023, 04:10:08 PM
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Ethereum was captured a long time ago and there is no incentive to make it more decentralized or faster because middle men control staking and validating and make billions of dollars off of this. If you want something fair you need to look into REF on NEAR or Q Blockchain.

It sucks real bad. Ethereum was off to a good start but it defected to the those with a lot of money in the industry (mainly CEXs and VCs). It's a "Wall Street Coin" now. I guess money talks, after all. To say the least, the number of truly-decentralized PoS coins are declining by the day. People are more interested in centralized coins than can be easily shut down by the government at will.

At least, not all hope is lost. We have Peercoin, Diamond, Reddcoin, and a few other PoS coins that are truly-decentralized. I'm yet to try the coins you've mentioned recently. Everything in crypto land is open source these days, so there should be nothing to worry about. Just my opinion Smiley

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