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October 13, 2023, 07:06:20 PM
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Europe has broken all 20 years' records, in both the lowest unemployment level and in the percentage of citizens employed.
Now do purchasing power. The goal shouldn't be having more jobs, the goal should be being able to make a living.

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Very good point! I really think that falling unemployment rate is partially due to people forced to enter or return to job market which is not a great sign.

What's more interesting, is why OP is creating a boatload of similar topics glorifying and admiring the EU, although as far as I know he is Ukrainian and doesn't even live in the EU? Very weird, there has to be some explanation... perhaps signature campaign is not his only source of income here in this forum?  Roll Eyes   
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October 13, 2023, 07:15:25 PM
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I guess some will ask why I mentioned both, and that is because record-low unemployment doesn't really mean that few people are out of a job, it might mean that they simply don't care about finding one so they are not in the statistics. And here is where the employment level comes into place.

So, I'm sure that everyone knows Europe is doomed, we're out of gas, 90% of our companies are bankrupt, we've frozen to death last time, our GDP is down by 99%, the euro is worthless and we have eaten our last hamster but in reality:

Europe has broken all 20 years' records, in both the lowest unemployment level and in the percentage of citizens employed.

And it doesn't stop here, from 10 years ago in 2013 the number of people with a job has grown from 181 million to 197 million, that's 18 million more workers and jobs in a decade!
On top of that, we have to add to this 3.5 million work permits issued this year for foreigners that want to work in this craphole called EU.

Can't wait to see the usual Russian muppets trying to twist this as being bad!

To me it is remarkable that certain nations, and groups of nations, are able to relentlessly create new jobs and keep people employed. Idle hands make the devils playthings as the saying goes, if people do not have work then they might be more inclined to commit crimes in order to get their hands on cash. We also have to be mindful that politicians are always seeking to massage the figures, so might try to cut and change how certain statistics are reported so they can claim to have done good work. Hopefully it will continue for a long time, because it shows that most of society are committed to hard work and making a brighter future for everyone in their country and I can imagine America is similar.

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October 13, 2023, 07:37:50 PM
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I guess some will ask why I mentioned both, and that is because record-low unemployment doesn't really mean that few people are out of a job, it might mean that they simply don't care about finding one so they are not in the statistics. And here is where the employment level comes into place.

So, I'm sure that everyone knows Europe is doomed, we're out of gas, 90% of our companies are bankrupt, we've frozen to death last time, our GDP is down by 99%, the euro is worthless and we have eaten our last hamster but in reality:

Europe has broken all 20 years' records, in both the lowest unemployment level and in the percentage of citizens employed.

And it doesn't stop here, from 10 years ago in 2013 the number of people with a job has grown from 181 million to 197 million, that's 18 million more workers and jobs in a decade!
On top of that, we have to add to this 3.5 million work permits issued this year for foreigners that want to work in this craphole called EU.

Can't wait to see the usual Russian muppets trying to twist this as being bad!

To me it is remarkable that certain nations, and groups of nations, are able to relentlessly create new jobs and keep people employed. Idle hands make the devils playthings as the saying goes, if people do not have work then they might be more inclined to commit crimes in order to get their hands on cash. We also have to be mindful that politicians are always seeking to massage the figures, so might try to cut and change how certain statistics are reported so they can claim to have done good work. Hopefully it will continue for a long time, because it shows that most of society are committed to hard work and making a brighter future for everyone in their country and I can imagine America is similar.
Europe had been doing amazingly great for years now and that is why many people from other continents choose to visit Europe because of so many opportunities that are there and what expatriates tend to benefit in a long run. Employment is one of the things that makes a country or continent great again and we have to understand the force that drives employment rate forward. When the economy of a country is good and have a huge momentum of ascending upward, the employment rate and other factors will increase drastically within a particular period of time.

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October 13, 2023, 09:06:24 PM
Last edit: October 13, 2023, 09:20:48 PM by stompix
 #44

Very weird, there has to be some explanation... perhaps signature campaign is not his only source of income here in this forum?  Roll Eyes    

Maybe a signature campaign or this forum is not my only source of income at all? You know, people with jobs?
Actually, it would probably piss you off that according to the spreadsheet by not making my quota during the CM campaign I missed $6000 in earnings during those years! Imagine that!  Cheesy

Might come as a surprise to you but there are some here who discuss what they want how they want without feeling the need to kiss somebody's ass or be constrained by anything else, unlike posters that have to fake interest in a sport or gambling to qualify for their quota!  Grin

I really think that falling unemployment rate is partially due to people forced to enter or return to job market which is not a great sign.

Let me get this right:
Low unemployment is bad for the EU!
Medium unemployment is bad for the EU!
High unemployment is bad for the EU!
Low employment is bad for the EU!
Medium employment is bad for the EU!
High employment is bad for the EU!
Right?

although as far as I know he is Ukrainian and doesn't even live in the EU?

Lol, you're about 3 countries, 1500 km off, and 20 years off !

And here is where the employment level comes into place.
Interesting viewpoint. When I read the title, I was happy because I thought finally some good news but reading your first sentence has brain me indifferent. Considering now that we have digital nomads and remote workers I can't say that I agree with your statement.

Read again!
Employment levels count only people living in the EU having a job in the EU!
Digital nomads who are not paying taxes and social/welfare contributions in the EU are excluded!

LE:
What's more interesting, is why OP is creating a boatload of similar topics glorifying and admiring the EU

Actually, you know something, seeing people so triggered because of good things, I'm going to start one of those each day!
Cause you know, that thing we have called freedom of speech and freedom of spreading joy? Probably not something you're aware of!
Maybe I'll throw one about the 1 cent per ruble since I'm pretty sure it will hit a nerve!


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October 13, 2023, 09:39:18 PM
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I guess some will ask why I mentioned both, and that is because record-low unemployment doesn't really mean that few people are out of a job, it might mean that they simply don't care about finding one so they are not in the statistics. And here is where the employment level comes into place.
Interesting viewpoint. When I read the title, I was happy because I thought finally some good news but reading your first sentence has brain me indifferent. Considering now that we have digital nomads and remote workers I can't say that I agree with your statement. What can Europe do about this? If people are not looking for employment doesn't it mean that they are doing okay? Because there is no mention that the government is providing any support funds for them help. It is a bit confusing.
This is because many can work remotely online without having their official status as an employment, the digital work are increasing and the interest for this are also increasing. If their own people don’t want to work anymore, which I think is already happening that country will be force to look for other people outside of their country who can work for them and this is why our oversees filipino worker are increasing because many countries are indeed of worker while in our country, they can’t find any job even if they are looking for it.

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October 13, 2023, 10:01:25 PM
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What I know about the European country is that most people there are freelancers, which are not really employees; instead, most of them work online. In addition to that, in every country around the world, the average employment rate problem is also increasing.

Especially in today's time where there are wars going on in Israel, Hamas, Russia, and Ukraine, there are no employees who are able to enter their jobs in the office or financial institution properly. that despite these events, the people of the country are also a problem with their prime commodities.

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October 13, 2023, 10:24:08 PM
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Very weird, there has to be some explanation... perhaps signature campaign is not his only source of income here in this forum?  Roll Eyes    

Maybe a signature campaign or this forum is not my only source of income at all? You know, people with jobs?
Could you re-read my post once again? You are either blind or have comprehension issues.  Grin

Quote from: stompix
Might come as a surprise to you but there are some here who discuss what they want how they want without feeling the need to kiss somebody's ass or be constrained by anything else, unlike posters that have to fake interest in a sport or gambling to qualify for their quota!  Grin
Haha someone has read my posts I see. You're funny. Well if you'd dig deeper you'd also find out from my posts that my daughter is a pro tennis player so no need to fake anything. And you, I presume, are an expert in economy and finance? NOT! More likely a troll, paid to post on how flawless certain countries and regions are... and sorry but it in fact looks like you're kissing somebody's ass  Grin 

Quote from: stompix
I really think that falling unemployment rate is partially due to people forced to enter or return to job market which is not a great sign.

Let me get this right:
Low unemployment is bad for the EU!
Medium unemployment is bad for the EU!
High unemployment is bad for the EU!
Low employment is bad for the EU!
Medium employment is bad for the EU!
High employment is bad for the EU!
Right?
Wrong! I never said that something is bad for EU. I just pointed out that this "achievement" is not a sign of a healthy economy. You wanted to discuss it, right? So you didn't expect everyone will have the same pov as you? Or wait did you?  Grin

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LE:
What's more interesting, is why OP is creating a boatload of similar topics glorifying and admiring the EU

Actually, you know something, seeing people so triggered because of good things, I'm going to start one of those each day!
Cause you know, that thing we have called freedom of speech and freedom of spreading joy? Probably not something you're aware of!
Maybe I'll throw one about the 1 cent per ruble since I'm pretty sure it will hit a nerve!
Frankly, I don't care. But it seems that you do. Your posts are yelling butthurt by Russia. What is the reason for that? Some kind of psychological issue? Traumatic memories from the past? Please note I haven't even mentioned Russia in my post and you're talking about "Russian muppets", rubles etc.  Grin 

It looks like you're just a paid shill and being paid to post about glorious achievements of certain countries.  Grin

P.S. Btw, as long as you claim that you're a EU resident, perhaps you could share:

1 how much was your electricity (or gas) bill let's say in 2021 vs now
2 how much did you spend on groceries in 2021 vs now
3. how much you spend on fuel now vs 2021

The numbers will also give you a clue on why unemployment rate is falling.  Grin
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October 13, 2023, 11:10:10 PM
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Frankly, I don't care.

Then no problem, but you seem to be triggered by something, you bring this thing called Russia so much into discussion, why?
Are you Russian or something? Who cares, I don't give a crap about what nationality or where people live or what language they use, this is about employment in Europe, why would you even have a problem with it?

P.S. Btw, as long as you claim that you're a EU resident, perhaps you could share:

1 how much was your electricity (or gas) bill let's say in 2021 vs now
2 how much did you spend on groceries in 2021 vs now
3. how much you spend on fuel now vs 2021

The numbers will also give you a clue on why unemployment rate is falling.  Grin

Deal,
1) price per kWh was 15 cents pe kwh is now 21cents per kwh!
2) common do you actually know somebody who writes down how much he spends on food a month? get real!
Ask something about the price per item or so, but forget that, you don't even have to take my word for it
Just grab the Aldi prospekt as the whole archive from 2016 on is online and compare the price
3) Again, why even bother asking me when there is fuelo.net
it was 1.57 euros and it's now 1.72 euros

The horroooooorr!  Grin

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What I know about the European country is that most people there are freelancers, which are not really employees; instead, most of them work online. In addition to that, in every country around the world, the average employment rate problem is also increasing.

Especially in today's time where there are wars going on in Israel, Hamas, Russia, and Ukraine, there are no employees who are able to enter their jobs in the office or financial institution properly. that despite these events, the people of the country are also a problem with their prime commodities.

I don't know where you got your data but a quick search online would tell you that it isn't the case. Freelancers only comprised around 14% of the continent's total work force.[1] Also, freelancers aren't necessarily online workers. While "the European Commission does not define "freelancers" in any legislative text," I suppose they belong to the self-employed category.[2] Self-employed people include those who have their own business, those who are farming "for the purpose of earning a profit", and so on.[3]

I don't think employees in many parts of Ukraine and Israel aren't reporting for their jobs. The invasion in Ukraine and the attacks in Israel aren't affecting each and every town and city.


[1] https://totalent.eu/the-true-state-of-freelancers-in-europe-less-self-employed-workers-but-critical-for-the-future/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freelancer
[3] https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/en/european-industrial-relations-dictionary/self-employed-person

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October 14, 2023, 05:05:45 AM
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Can't wait to see the usual Russian muppets trying to twist this as being bad!
Great news coming from Europe. When the UK left the EU there were different predictions of the adverse consequences it will have on the European economy, but it survived it. There were also predictions that the European economy will collapse because of the gas and oil crisis caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it has continued to grow stronger. There is also this rumor that the introduction of a common currency by BRICS will give a big blow to the Euro, we are still waiting for the new currency. The European economy has proved to be one of the strongest in the world.

Apart from fighting on the battlefield, there is always political, social, and economic war during conflicts. The European and the Russian propaganda machines are at work using various means to attack the economy of each other. We shouldn't also forget that NATO nations predicted that the Russian economy will not survive the economic sanctions for more than six months.
Was marveling like what would the Russian media have to say about this if giving the podium and same applies to the EU media what do you think would be their statement following the whole argument ?

Whatsoever they have got to say would be in the interest of the side they are a proponent to and what then. Yeah what then if not from one political and economic propaganda to another and it keeps going on and on that we can't even see when anyone of these two blocs are actually making progress to be applauded or not.  Unemployment is a universal sickness pillage all parts of the world and for what is worth every little effort put forward by any government of a people to cushion the effect should be applauded or appreciated while waiting for a bigger picture of it.

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What I know about the European country is that most people there are freelancers, which are not really employees; instead, most of them work online. In addition to that, in every country around the world, the average employment rate problem is also increasing.

Especially in today's time where there are wars going on in Israel, Hamas, Russia, and Ukraine, there are no employees who are able to enter their jobs in the office or financial institution properly. that despite these events, the people of the country are also a problem with their prime commodities.
Freelancers are also referred to as self-employed individuals, and although it may seem like there are a lot of people under this industry only a few percentage of the general population of a country makes up for it. Also, correct me if I'm wrong (anyone really, as I haven't done a proper research regarding the attacks in Israel and invasion in Ukraine) but I'm pretty sure it doesn't necessarily affect the whole country, like there are cities and areas that are fully functional.

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October 14, 2023, 11:10:09 PM
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Then no problem, but you seem to be triggered by something, you bring this thing called Russia so much into discussion, why?
Are you Russian or something? Who cares, I don't give a crap about what nationality or where people live or what language they use, this is about employment in Europe, why would you even have a problem with it?
Muahaha, actually you'ŗe the one mentioning Russia most frequently here in this thread:

Quote from: stompix
Can't wait to see the usual Russian muppets trying to twist this as being bad!
Quote from: stompix
Maybe that's one of the reasons thousands flee to Europe instead of let's say Russia?
Quote from: stompix
Maybe I'll throw one about the 1 cent per ruble since I'm pretty sure it will hit a nerve!

I never mentioned Russia in my posts in this thread. You can quote me to prove the opposite.

Quote from: stompix
P.S. Btw, as long as you claim that you're a EU resident, perhaps you could share:

1 how much was your electricity (or gas) bill let's say in 2021 vs now
2 how much did you spend on groceries in 2021 vs now
3. how much you spend on fuel now vs 2021

The numbers will also give you a clue on why unemployment rate is falling.  Grin

Deal,
1) price per kWh was 15 cents pe kwh is now 21cents per kwh!
2) common do you actually know somebody who writes down how much he spends on food a month? get real!
Ask something about the price per item or so, but forget that, you don't even have to take my word for it
Just grab the Aldi prospekt as the whole archive from 2016 on is online and compare the price
3) Again, why even bother asking me when there is fuelo.net
it was 1.57 euros and it's now 1.72 euros

The horroooooorr!  Grin

Any more questions? Always happy to help people!

Ok it seems you're from Bulgaria. Energy prices are not very high there for residential users, actually way below the average EU price:



So you're lucky in a way but that doesn't mean other countries are not feeling the pain.
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October 14, 2023, 11:23:05 PM
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What I know about the European country is that most people there are freelancers, which are not really employees; instead, most of them work online. In addition to that, in every country around the world, the average employment rate problem is also increasing.
Those freelancers are doing their job online for free for their clients. I mean, they don't get paid for the work they render to those who need their services online; I believe they really do, and most of them even get paid more than those doing white collar jobs.
 
Being unemployed means the person doesn't have anything to do and gives him access to stable or partial earnings, which he/she is sure of at the end of every day, week, or month. You can either be a freelancer, work under somebody, or create your own job and employ others. Either way, I don't see it as something that the country will include in the unemployed individuals category. Freelancers are earning, and I see that those on the list of unemployed are those who have nothing to do in real time.

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October 15, 2023, 09:57:08 AM
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Ok it seems you're from Bulgaria.

Missed again, common, get real with those!
Gas at 1.72 euros in Bulgaria, like yeah, when oil will hit 300 euros per pint, it's 1.41 there.
There is no Aldi in Bulgaria also!  Grin
So, you're not from the EU, right? Then again, why do you care about us so much?

So you're lucky in a way but that doesn't mean other countries are not feeling the pain.

Yeah, stop quoting internet graphics for the start of the year!!
Let's see it for Germany 26,56 ct/kWh, or for France 22,76, you see 2* cents is the higher one, countries like Bulgaria and Romania are at 10-15!

As I said...the horrroorr!
Again, you have no clue what prices are but you keep saying stuff from god knows what propaganda machine!

What I know about the European country is that most people there are freelancers, which are not really employees;

Guys, let's just stop with the freelancers!
https://www.cedefop.europa.eu/en/tools/skills-intelligence/sector-employment-occupations?year=2021&country=EU#1



But digital nomads, freelancers, all that stuff, put a lid on it!
Europe has self-employed people but those are not most of them in the digital field and most are in the service department, people that deal with home repairs, commerce, and legal matters and they are only 14% of the total workforce.
Just as an example, lawyers can be self-employed and I don't think you're going to find them doing their job from another country.

Especially in today's time where there are wars going on in Israel, Hamas, Russia, and Ukraine,

Oh god, Hamas is an organization, not a country!!!!!!!!!!!!

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October 15, 2023, 02:10:12 PM
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On top of that, we have to add to this 3.5 million work permits issued this year for foreigners that want to work in this craphole called EU.

I do not doubt the data you presented at all, because I know that they are facts, and considering that I live in the EU, I know what the situation is regarding the availability of work and unemployment. What I want to refer to are precisely these work permits and the import of (mostly cheap) labor which, on the one hand, meets the need for labor which is simply not there in some countries, but on the other hand, all these people have a very difficult time adapting to our local societies, and in a certain percentage represent a great security risk.

The example of France, Germany or Sweden speaks for itself when it comes to such migrations, and the disastrous demographic policy in many countries does not work for us at all - while one of the EU demography commissioners (from my country) talks about how the solution for that problem is in African countries.

I do not think that this is even close to the solution we should strive for, because although we solve the problem in the short term, in the long term we risk huge cultural and social problems with such a policy.

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