[BET] Trump or Harris 2024, Poker Player vs suchmoon

[Free Market Capitalist]

You can't possibly expect me to comment in every thread...

You haven't commented on any of them at all. Neither did you then when I commented on the censorship occurring in social media in different threads nor have you done so more recently when I referenced Kerry's and Walz's statements in several threads in this section.

...but I have said many times in many different threads that social media sites should be able to have and enforce their own rules (within the law of course), that's their free speech rights. Bitcointalk can ban any shitposter,

No, that's not what we're talking about. Fundamental rights should not be left to the whim of private companies; they should be respected regardless of company policy. Here I have been able to express myself without censorship in a way that I would not have been able to do in social media because here free speech is defended and you are not censored for your ideas.

First amendment is about the government not making laws restricting free speech, i.e. the opposite of the attempts of these new trumplings to force media to publish certain content.

Oh, okay, now you're really worried about the First Amendment, aren't you?

[suchmoon]

You can't possibly expect me to comment in every thread...

You haven't commented on any of them at all. Neither did you then when I commented on the censorship occurring in social media in different threads nor have you done so more recently when I referenced Kerry's and Walz's statements in several threads in this section.

This might be because what you call "censorship" in social media is what also allows sites like Bitcointalk to exist but my point still stands, me not commenting in some other thread is irrelevant here.

...but I have said many times in many different threads that social media sites should be able to have and enforce their own rules (within the law of course), that's their free speech rights. Bitcointalk can ban any shitposter,

No, that's not what we're talking about. Fundamental rights should not be left to the whim of private companies; they should be respected regardless of company policy. Here I have been able to express myself without censorship in a way that I would not have been able to do in social media because here free speech is defended and you are not censored for your ideas.

There is no fundamental right for you to go and post anything you want on facebook, just like there is no fundamental right for you to go on Fox News and talk about anything you want. You can however run your own site any way you want (or pick a site that fits your needs, I'm sure there are many), and that's far more important than the content on sites run by someone else. Which by the way is also likely at risk under the new administration, considering their position against net neutrality. ISP censoring your internet would arguably be a much bigger threat to your free speech than any individual site or media platform rules.

First amendment is about the government not making laws restricting free speech, i.e. the opposite of the attempts of these new trumplings to force media to publish certain content.

Oh, okay, now you're really worried about the First Amendment, aren't you?

What I'm saying here is consistent with what I've said in the past, so your implication is misplaced.

Would you say the same if Biden tried to force Truth Social or Musk's Not-Twitter to publish at least 50% of left-wing content?

[apogio]

I would, put it this way:

Anyone (legal or individual entity) should be able to construct their own rule-set, within the law.
Then, they should allow people to willingly join them, conforming with their rules.
In this territory, the entity that owns it, is allowed to do and say whatever they want.
Nobody else (legal or individual entity) is allowed to enforce changes to this set of rules.

Having said that, Facebook, TikTok, Bitcointalk, YouTube etc. have their own sets of rules and nobody can knowingly ignore them, no matter who they are.
On the other hand, however, Apogio's Forum (hypothetical forum), could have my set of rules and I could express my opinion however I wanted.

[BADecker]

The big media outlets like Facebook and Youtube only destroy themselves when they censor content. You can see this by how X and others have grown.

[paxmao]

Some time ago, he did not make a single comment in this thread:

You can't possibly expect me to comment in every thread but I have said many times in many different threads that social media sites should be able to have and enforce their own rules (within the law of course), that's their free speech rights. Bitcointalk can ban any shitposter, Elon can ban anyone who criticizes him on whatever he's calling his site today. Trump (or Biden) should not be able to tell how to moderate those sites. First amendment is about the government not making laws restricting free speech, i.e. the opposite of the attempts of these new trumplings to force media to publish certain content. And to preempt any further "whataboutism" - if Hillary or Obama or George Washington did anything like that, it would be wrong too.

Trump has announced (which may or may not happen) immediate tariffs with Mexico and Canada. I do not think that will make things cheaper in the US, will it?

It would, but the deep state (aka basic math and economics) will not allow it. Trump will need a third term to really fix it.

I am afraid that despite Trump being able to count with the fingers, he is not great at basic math. It may be required that the "deep state" - AKA people who understand consequences - will have to be DOGEd like the General Attorneys, the public servants, etc...

See, nothing that Trump cannot short out. It does not mean that he will not need a third term... and a fourth if he is not worm food by then. He is ok with that I think.

[BADecker]

Some time ago, he did not make a single comment in this thread:

You can't possibly expect me to comment in every thread but I have said many times in many different threads that social media sites should be able to have and enforce their own rules (within the law of course), that's their free speech rights. Bitcointalk can ban any shitposter, Elon can ban anyone who criticizes him on whatever he's calling his site today. Trump (or Biden) should not be able to tell how to moderate those sites. First amendment is about the government not making laws restricting free speech, i.e. the opposite of the attempts of these new trumplings to force media to publish certain content. And to preempt any further "whataboutism" - if Hillary or Obama or George Washington did anything like that, it would be wrong too.

Trump has announced (which may or may not happen) immediate tariffs with Mexico and Canada. I do not think that will make things cheaper in the US, will it?

It would, but the deep state (aka basic math and economics) will not allow it. Trump will need a third term to really fix it.

I am afraid that despite Trump being able to count with the fingers, he is not great at basic math. It may be required that the "deep state" - AKA people who understand consequences - will have to be DOGEd like the General Attorneys, the public servants, etc...

See, nothing that Trump cannot short out. It does not mean that he will not need a third term... and a fourth if he is not worm food by then. He is ok with that I think.

You mean you haven't signed up yet? Lol.

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[Free Market Capitalist]

This might be because what you call "censorship" in social media is what also allows sites like Bitcointalk to exist but my point still stands, me not commenting in some other thread is irrelevant here.

No, it doesn't stand because we are not talking about you not commenting on one thread, we are talking about you not saying anything at all in all the repeated (and there have been many) times I have complained in different posts about censorship by left-wing parties (like the current one in the UK) or censorship plans (like Kerry's and Walz's).

What a coincidence that the other two who like you defend objective reality in an unbiased way (but who always tend to agree with the democrats) didn't comment on this either.

There is no fundamental right for you to go and post anything you want on facebook, just like there is no fundamental right for you to go on Fox News and talk about anything you want.

Yes, there is. The case of Fox news (or CNN, it doesn't matter) is different because if they call me, I can limit what I want to talk about, and so can they.

Facebook, on the other hand, is a social network that cannot limit the right to freedom of expression because they feel like it, in the same way that they cannot allow people to talk about the extermination of blacks or homosexuals for supposedly being inferior if they feel like it.

What I'm saying here is consistent with what I've said in the past, so your implication is misplaced.

No it isn't as explained above.

Would you say the same if Biden tried to force Truth Social or Musk's Not-Twitter to publish at least 50% of left-wing content?

I don't know anything about truth social and about X I see quite a few leftist opinions now that they are used to censorship and Musk allows right-wing views they can't stand it and want to go elsewhere. But, yes, here there is no obligation on this very forum and the owner being an ancap lets you leftists express yourselves freely.

I am afraid that despite Trump being able to count with the fingers, he is not great at basic math.

I'm sure you can find plenty of things to criticise Trump for other than such ridiculousness. A guy who has almost $6B in net worth isn't great at basic math?

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There's a funny thing about you, you know, I don't have you on ignore but it's as if I have you.

[suchmoon]

This might be because what you call "censorship" in social media is what also allows sites like Bitcointalk to exist but my point still stands, me not commenting in some other thread is irrelevant here.

No, it doesn't stand because we are not talking about you not commenting on one thread, we are talking about you not saying anything at all in all the repeated (and there have been many) times I have complained in different posts about censorship by left-wing parties (like the current one in the UK) or censorship plans (like Kerry's and Walz's).

What I'm saying here is consistent with what I've said in the past, so your implication is misplaced.

No it isn't as explained above.

I'm not quite following what you're complaining about. I haven't responded in your thread about $100k (just picked a random example from your post history). Does that mean I'm biased against Bitcoin?

If I had said something different in another context than what I'm saying here, you'd have a point. Even then it's kinda pointless argument, as whataboutism tends to be. If "leftists" do it, and Trump does it, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Facebook, on the other hand, is a social network that cannot limit the right to freedom of expression

Actually they can and they do and the law and common sense is on their side. There is no obligation for a private business to provide an online platform for everything, just like there is no obligation for me to allow you to have a speech in my backyard. The government can run their own social media site if it deems it necessary as a public service (and the taxpayers approve) and arguably such a site would need to allow all sorts of shit on it, similar to how publicly-funded universities are providing venues for various nutjobs from different sides of the political spectrum.

because they feel like it, in the same way that they cannot allow people to talk about the extermination of blacks or homosexuals for supposedly being inferior if they feel like it.

That's kinda the opposite of reality. Sites can allow this type of user-generated content and there are some that do.

The funny thing is that the proposed changes to (or repeal of) section 230 would not create more "freedom" in online speech. Most likely it would result in more control on content, as it would subject sites to more liability if "bad" content gets posted by users.

Would you say the same if Biden tried to force Truth Social or Musk's Not-Twitter to publish at least 50% of left-wing content?

I don't know anything about truth social and about X I see quite a few leftist opinions now that they are used to censorship and Musk allows right-wing views they can't stand it and want to go elsewhere. But, yes, here there is no obligation on this very forum and the owner being an ancap lets you leftists express yourselves freely.

That's not the question I asked. Would you be ok if the government mandated it?

I am afraid that despite Trump being able to count with the fingers, he is not great at basic math.

I'm sure you can find plenty of things to criticise Trump for other than such ridiculousness. A guy who has almost $6B in net worth isn't great at basic math?

Big math genius in action: https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/15/politics/video/trump-interview-tariffs-bloomberg-chicago-digvid

[BADecker]

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There's a funny thing about you, you know, I don't have you on ignore but it's as if I have you.

Huh. You're smarter than I'd have guessed.

Since you don't have me on 'ignore', look into the things that I talk about. My disclaimer is that I make mistakes like everybody else. But the things that I show are either great truths, or point to great truths.

[paxmao]

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I am afraid that despite Trump being able to count with the fingers, he is not great at basic math.

I'm sure you can find plenty of things to criticise Trump for other than such ridiculousness. A guy who has almost $6B in net worth isn't great at basic math?
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It is very unlikely that Trump has 6 B in NET worth. He tends to brag about his assets, particularly buildings - that you can value quite imaginatively , but he does not speak of his liabilities.

There is no doubt Daddy Trump was the right type of businessman to get something built in New York - which is not much about counting exactly - but his son is just the classic persona that thinks he is smart, but is pretty average. Funny thing is that Trump has not made his accounting public and fought a lot to keep it secret.
The family is kind of good at keeping secrets and having a go at make-up.

During World War II, Trump began concealing his German ancestry.[57][d] Notwithstanding his German accent (later replaced by a New York one),[61] he denied that he spoke the language.[174][175] Partly due to the prominence of Jews in New York, he supported Jewish causes, with contributions (apparently starting in 1941 two weeks after the U.S. entered the war) convincing some he practiced Judaism.[175][e] He also omitted the "h" from his middle name (sidestepping the potential implication he could be anti-Semitic as a Christian).[178] Trump later falsely claimed that he was of Swedish (Northern European) descent,[175][28] and in 1973 wrongly stated that he was born in New Jersey;[35] these deceptions were sustained in the 1980s by Donald Trump and the author of Donald's first biography.[179][180][181][f] During the 1980s, Fred became friends with the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Benjamin Netanyahu, later the prime minister of Israel.[182]

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~snip

There's a funny thing about you, you know, I don't have you on ignore but it's as if I have you.

Huh. You're smarter than I'd have guessed.

Since you don't have me on 'ignore', look into the things that I talk about. My disclaimer is that I make mistakes like everybody else. But the things that I show are either great truths, or point to great truths.

dumBAss, go post some walltext to with links to your favourite conspiratard somewhere else and let the adults in the room speak.

[mrust_mobile]

Sjw&woke Kingdom is collapsing. The west will once again become home to virtuous women and honest men. The globalists are on the run and they are making their last moves to start another world war before Trump comes to power but they are in denial.

Nothing can stop Trump Train.

The world is fed up with their woke crap.

[paxmao]

Sjw&woke Kingdom is collapsing. The west will once again become home to virtuous women and honest men. The globalists are on the run and they are making their last moves to start another world war before Trump comes to power but they are in denial.

Nothing can stop Trump Train.

The world is fed up with their woke crap.

Someone is still on the high of the after-elections I can see. But I think that the "woke" thing is here to stay. However the Democrats will have to figure out if that should be the main focus of their future campaigns because it is divisive, controversial and brings little for the middle american out there which is ok with whatever social freedoms and diversity, but is more concern with practical matters.

[BADecker]

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Huh. You're smarter than I'd have guessed.

Since you don't have me on 'ignore', look into the things that I talk about. My disclaimer is that I make mistakes like everybody else. But the things that I show are either great truths, or point to great truths.

dumBAss, go post some walltext to with links to your favourite conspiratard somewhere else and let the adults in the room speak.

LaDeDa... LOL. Trump is starting his 'Jack Smith' style trial preparations against the Biden Administration. If Trump was guilty of a little, the Biden Admin is guilty of a mountain.


Sunday Live: Trump Goes on Total Warpath Against the Deep State!


https://banned.video/watch?id=674d2a7d234c12a36933ee54&__cf_chl_f_tk=jcWdiFmXzUxKHXLwwWk2rDCP4ywn6QlA2zbbqYu0OSc-1733194511-1.0.1.1-9HBi4m8UMQPa.oT7SA2VlkTJvOZtgxZn.jEJSUzPXik

Sunday Live: Trump Goes on Total Warpath Against the Deep State! Incoming Administration Announces Plan to Prosecute Biden Admin For Human Trafficking Sex Slavery - FULL SHOW - 12/01/2024
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