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October 15, 2023, 02:10:59 PM
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There is multi million private money transfer system in arab countries without any KYC from person to person etc. But what is average transfer amount in this system and transfer time. Also transfer fee ? And in which countries this system is working - also USA, UK through arab communities ? Which currency this system use for transfers - probably local in each country.  Grin
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October 15, 2023, 03:39:00 PM
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In India too the hawala system exists and the minimum amount can be 1Lakh ($1200) but not sure about that.

Yes local currency in each country will be delivered to the person as requested by sender but nobody really knows how they are transmitting cross borders and whoever says it's via Bitcoin has also need to know that the system exists a long way back even before 2000 if I am not wrong.
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October 15, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
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You can only see this on TOR. Or is there somebody with a system that can load TOR sites on the regular Internet?
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In Praise of Hawala
by J. Orlin Grabbe

When I was teaching at Wharton, I remember one student who was amazed that he could "wire" his Treasury bill from a bank in Chicago to a bank in Manhattan. Of course there was no mystery to the process. Treasury bills only exist as accounting entries on the books of the Federal Reserve: there is no physical token or quality printed document involved.

The bank in Chicago was the registered owner of the T-bill on the Fed's books, and it simply sent instructions to the Fed to turn the T-bill over to the bank in Manhattan — i.e. to attach the Manhattan bank's name as the owner of the T-bill on the Fed's books. Meanwhile, the bank in Manhattan handed the student a computer-printed receipt, showing that the student was the owner of the T-bill from the bank's point of view.

In this Federal Reserve transaction we have the essence of the hawala system, a system currently under frontal assault from the U.S. because it is efficient, low-cost, and unregulated. As in the hawala system, a person in Chicago (the student) goes to an agent (the Chicago bank) and asks for the transfer for something of value (the T-bill). Through a centralized record- keeping system (the Federal Reserve), value is transferred to an agent elsewhere (the bank in Manhattan) and given to a person at the remote location (in this case, the student again, but it could have been anyone). A typical hawala transaction in Dubai, here on the shore of the Persian (Arabian) Gulf, might go like this. Iqbal, a Pakistani working in the Jebel Ali Free Zone, gets paid in cash, in UAE dirhams. He wants to send money to his family in Karachi, so he goes to a hawaladar and gives him 5000 dirham. The hawaladar sends an email or a fax to his uncle in Karachi (who is also a hawaladar), along with an agreed code for collecting the money. Iqbal's wife picks up 80,000 rupees from the hawaladar in Karachi. The transaction is simple and efficient by comparison to most of the alternatives. Iqbal pays on one day and his wife picks up the money the next day. Iqbal doesn't need a bank account, no one asks him to fill out elaborate forms or show a government ID number. Nor does he need to deal with an artificial exchange rate set by the Pakistani central bank — a rate of exchange intended to rip off (tax) Pakistanis in foreign countries who are purchasing rupees with their repatriated earnings. Instead, the local hawaladar in Karachi deals on the white market and gets a market-determined exchange rate. (The central bank calls the free market in currencies a "black market," but since the market involves voluntary exchanges between individuals, it should be referred to as a "white market" — or maybe not, depending on your psychological associations with colors.)

Why does the system work? The hawaladars are reliable and trustworthy. As even Interpol observed, "the delivery associated with a hawala transaction is faster and more reliable than in bank transactions." And "the components of hawala that distinguish it from other remittance systems are trust and the extensive use of connections such as family relationships . . ." It takes honest people to run this "illegal" business.

Yet Time magazine has called hawala "a banking system built for terrorism." They accused Dubai of being the hub of the hawala business. But Time gave its game away by ominously noting: "Dubai is a free trade zone with no limitations on the movement of goods or currency."



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October 19, 2023, 04:02:02 AM
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There is multi million private money transfer system in arab countries without any KYC from person to person etc. But what is average transfer amount in this system and transfer time. Also transfer fee ? And in which countries this system is working - also USA, UK through arab communities ? Which currency this system use for transfers - probably local in each country.  Grin

There is a system in New Jersey. Its called a jersey handshake 🤝 if you watch the movie 🎥

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Boys_(film)

if you watch the film above there is a good reference to it.

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October 19, 2023, 05:57:12 PM
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There is multi million private money transfer system in arab countries without any KYC from person to person etc. But what is average transfer amount in this system and transfer time. Also transfer fee ? And in which countries this system is working - also USA, UK through arab communities ? Which currency this system use for transfers - probably local in each country.  Grin

There is a system in New Jersey. Its called a jersey handshake 🤝 if you watch the movie 🎥

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Boys_(film)

if you watch the film above there is a good reference to it.

Hawala is a bit like a rather peaceful 'Mafia' money exchange. What that means is that if anyone in the Hawala network fails in his operation of the Hawala system, he is chastised by family or extended family.

If the Jersey Handshake system doesn't have something like that in place, some of your average honest people will skim a little... and more than a little at times. The system will fail. Of course, success is not what it is used for, anyway.

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October 24, 2023, 12:48:24 PM
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There is multi million private money transfer system in arab countries without any KYC from person to person etc. But what is average transfer amount in this system and transfer time. Also transfer fee ? And in which countries this system is working - also USA, UK through arab communities ? Which currency this system use for transfers - probably local in each country.  Grin

There is a system in New Jersey. Its called a jersey handshake 🤝 if you watch the movie 🎥

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Boys_(film)

if you watch the film above there is a good reference to it.

Hawala is a bit like a rather peaceful 'Mafia' money exchange. What that means is that if anyone in the Hawala network fails in his operation of the Hawala system, he is chastised by family or extended family.

If the Jersey Handshake system doesn't have something like that in place, some of your average honest people will skim a little... and more than a little at times. The system will fail. Of course, success is not what it is used for, anyway.

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The Mafia learned a lot from Hawala System. they have been doing a variation of it for years. BTW Hassidic Jews have a similar system.  Makes sense since it is all near Mediterrian Sea locations.


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Hawala is a bit like a rather peaceful 'Mafia' money exchange. What that means is that if anyone in the Hawala network fails in his operation of the Hawala system, he is chastised by family or extended family.

If the Jersey Handshake system doesn't have something like that in place, some of your average honest people will skim a little... and more than a little at times. The system will fail. Of course, success is not what it is used for, anyway.

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The Mafia learned a lot from Hawala System. they have been doing a variation of it for years. BTW Hassidic Jews have a similar system.  Makes sense since it is all near Mediterrian Sea locations.


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Now, if average Americans, or average people of the world, started all using this system - maybe with Bitcoin-like encryption so that the bankers couldn't interfere - less taxes, more money for the people, and government dictatorial actions failing.

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