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November 18, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
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The truth is that we really can't believe the economic data that is coming out of China.  China is notorious for falsifying their numbers for just about anything and everything, not to say that most other nations don't do the same to an extent, but being that it's such a tightly ran nation that doesn't allow for much of "outside eyes" looking in, it's very hard for anyone to prove whatever they are reporting as factual or not.  Just looking a a communistic dictatorship governmental set-up standpoint...hard to trust them


That's one of the problems - the insularity of the real data on the Chinese economy. If we, for example, can roughly calculate the volume of foreign trade by secondary data (from importers and exporters of China), the internal "kitchen" is closed from the whole world. For example, there is absolutely no information about the real stock of foreign exchange reserves. Yes, we can, for example, know from the U.S. side how much China buys U.S. government bonds, but... that's ALL, the rest of the information is not verifiable and is not available not only to the outside world but also inside China. Therefore, it is possible that the strength of the Chinese economy is...to put it mildly, far from the public picture.

Even if i try to agree a little bit with your assertion, china has been giving out loans to various countries across the globe, there infrastructural and construction company are all over Africa, and they are doing very well with their productivity. China might try to hide some statistics about the internal infractions about their country, but having a country with over a billion people and they are not in extreme poverty situation, then trust me, china is doing well.

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November 23, 2023, 04:42:45 AM
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They have used slave labor conditions to build stuff for other nations and make cheap products and get all the manufacturing, once again (not first in their history) ignoring all the damage they are doing to their own citizens and to the world (pollution) and they just cared about their power, which allowed them to have enough money to just fund other nations and get them under their control.

Do you think a nation that has 30%+ of their gdp indebted to China would end up with going against China? They would have two reasons not to, first of all they are getting money from them so why would they stop, secondly if China comes asking for their money back, it would be very hard to say no, it would be dangerous for sure.

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November 23, 2023, 09:02:33 AM
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Do you think a nation that has 30%+ of their gdp indebted to China would end up with going against China? They would have two reasons not to, first of all they are getting money from them so why would they stop, secondly if China comes asking for their money back, it would be very hard to say no, it would be dangerous for sure.

I wonder what the punishment is for a country that won't be able to pay a debt or, let's say, they don't want to pay the debt at once as most of their contract is they will pay the debt in installments. Who will solve that issue? Internation court? I don't see anything else how it could be dangerous for a country. Or is there any chance China may attack them?

I don't think a country will attack another country just because they could not pay the debt. Instead, if they stop exporting products to those countries and they ask other countries not to help, that could create a real mess.

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November 23, 2023, 11:44:29 AM
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They have used slave labor conditions to build stuff for other nations and make cheap products and get all the manufacturing, once again (not first in their history) ignoring all the damage they are doing to their own citizens and to the world (pollution) and they just cared about their power, which allowed them to have enough money to just fund other nations and get them under their control.

Do you think a nation that has 30%+ of their gdp indebted to China would end up with going against China? They would have two reasons not to, first of all they are getting money from them so why would they stop, secondly if China comes asking for their money back, it would be very hard to say no, it would be dangerous for sure.
It seems like a bit of selective memory to only criticise China for problems with labour and the environment. Let's not forget that Western countries have generally become industrialised in ways that were not good for the environment or moral. Similar things happened in the West on its way to progress, like taking advantage of people and damaging the environment. Do we not have two different standards here? Now let's talk about how we count on and owe money to China. It's a complicated web of interdependence. Yes, countries may be hesitant to stand up to China because of their debts, but it's too simple to think that debt-ridden countries are just tools. International politics is not a simple case of a debtor owing money to a creditor

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November 25, 2023, 03:44:01 PM
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SHANGHAI, Nov 24 (Reuters) - Chinese stocks closed in negative territory on Friday as investors remained cautious given the sluggish economic recovery and strong foreign investment outflows further dampened risk appetite.
The Shanghai Composite index fell 0.68 percent to 3,040.97 points, while the blue-chip CSI300 index fell 0.66 percent to 3,538.01 points.
Hong Kong's Hang Seng index fell 1.96% to 17,559.42 points and the China Enterprises index fell 2.1% to 6,041.15 points.
Mainland blue chips lost 0.8% for the week, their worst weekly performance in a month, while the Hang Seng Index climbed 0.6%.
Net sales of Chinese stocks by foreign investors through the Stock Connect system totaled 6.2 billion yuan ($859.79 million) on Friday, the biggest daily outflow in more than a month.

Looks like "economic recovery" is hiding over the horizon....

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