Can a sport team initiate its own loss?

[l3pox]

It happens alot, it football I know about because it the sport I watch most of the time, I'm a Chelsea fan this has happened to my football club. There was this time Chelsea signed in Felipe Scolari and he was not a fan of Didier Drogba he preferred Anelka and drogba was not playing at that time, he wasn't happy and being the main man at the club, his absence affect other players and Chelsea began to play badly and started loosing matches. We all know how influential drogba was during his days at Chelsea so coming in and putting him on the bench was never a good thing to do. If he doesn't fit into your style of play then you build a style he can fit in. After the whole saga Felipe Scolari had to leave because the team was playing badly and losing matches. So he was later sacked and drogba came in back to the squad and Chelsea get back to winning ways and drogba of remain the star of the show.

do you think Scolari left because of the bad performance of the team?
I really thought he had something going on in his personal life and couldn't continue
would be good to have some details about it but anyways, it is what it is

Drogba is great, you stand correct

[Woodie]

In football this happens alot because the players know very well that they influence the performance of the club and any poor performance trickles down to the man in charge, the manager!

In short, for any poor performance the person that gets the hit is the manager and not the player's, same thing happens in a place of work based on the Apex pyramid of power.

[Smartvirus]

In football this happens alot because the players know very well that they influence the performance of the club and any poor performance trickles down to the man in charge, the manager!

In short, for any poor performance the person that gets the hit is the manager and not the player's, same thing happens in a place of work based on the Apex pyramid of power.

Not a lot, surely not a lot as there are penalties to these sort of behaviors when noticed.

Yeah, it obviously does trickles down to the man in charge being the manager as, though not in the pitch, his the one playing the game without having to play. His player selection, his style of play and positioning. That’s how you play the game, the rest are just pawns on his chess board.

It’s the one reason why players that wants to be transferred are often benched because their minds aren’t with the team and wouldn’t give their best. On the context of the team having to make out this plan, it’s really rear.

[alegotardo]

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

I agree, in part.

I've also read some statistics that say that poor team performance is the biggest reason for dismissals and coaching changes in a team, so it's plausible that players would protest this type of thing when they know they have the potential to turn things around in long competitions.

However, I disagree that this is the best way to express their discontent and demand changes, especially because this type of attitude greatly affects the team's morale, the players' relationship with the board and also with the fans themselves.

According to the statistics, the second biggest reason for coaching changes is the deterioration of the relationship between the coaching staff and the athletes, so why not express this discontent and seek an amicable and less costly solution for everyone? Certainly, a coaching change can happen faster this way than if there were this type of protest.

[joniboini]

I've also read some statistics that say that poor team performance is the biggest reason for dismissals and coaching changes in a team, so it's plausible that players would protest this type of thing when they know they have the potential to turn things around in long competitions.

Not surprising. I heard the same reasoning from people who argue that the Man United board should back Ten Hag because his players are likely trying to get him sacked. I don't know how they even arrived at that conclusion, but it's clear that bias plays a huge role in this analysis. I'd trust that analysis if we have evidence players are organizing themselves and playing as badly as they can to kick him out.

I think the chance something like this happens in a big club is also quite small. These players get paid tons of money and get criticized harshly just because of one mistake in a game, I don't think they have enough mental strength to play terribly and kick a coach out if they don't have any power over the board at all. I don't think even Ronaldo or Messi can organize something without any backlash at all. CMIIW.

[ethereumhunter]

In football this happens alot because the players know very well that they influence the performance of the club and any poor performance trickles down to the man in charge, the manager!

In short, for any poor performance the person that gets the hit is the manager and not the player's, same thing happens in a place of work based on the Apex pyramid of power.

Yes, the manager will be in charge to the club so he will be blame if something wrong happen. The owner club don't want to know the reason that he think that is not make sense. The manager will be in difficult if he doesn't clean up the mess by talking to all people in the club.

That can make the manager fired from the club and replace for the other manage that can work better than him. So job from the manager is not easy where he must make sure everything can accept of what he tells to them and not have any problem occurs.

[Oluwa-btc]

The question this topic is dedicated to in full looks like this: can a football team (or a team from another sport) initiate a loss or a series of losses of its own free will in order to achieve some of its goals?

Definitely a sports team can initiate its own loss mainly on different perspective, Sometimes this occurs when the team have misunderstanding within themselves and they decide to  create strategies that will  initiate a huge loss to their team, and yes it could be a coach to players misunderstanding can lead to general loss of the team, but mainly it's an irony for the players to generate or initiate their own loss rather than winning because basically each teams are created to support each other and be in unity no matter what but doing that will make then be in disagreement and kids whenever they play with their opponent teams.

[Abbatty]

do you think Scolari left because of the bad performance of the team?
I really thought he had something going on in his personal life and couldn't continue
would be good to have some details about it but anyways, it is what it is

Drogba is great, you stand correct

As at when felipe scolari was dismissed at chelsea, we were sitting fourth in the Premier league table, though Chelsea were still in the champions league and in the FA cup too but then we use to premier league winners favorite so sitting fourth on the standing was unacceptable by Abrahamovic and he was dissmed. Scolari told the media that he wasn't sacked based on the performance of the team but also the great sir Alex Ferguson said on thing that made me believe scolari was sacked base on the team performance. He said Chelsea owners lack patience and should have given scolari more time.

[bubilas]

In football this happens alot because the players know very well that they influence the performance of the club and any poor performance trickles down to the man in charge, the manager!

In short, for any poor performance the person that gets the hit is the manager and not the player's, same thing happens in a place of work based on the Apex pyramid of power.

There may also be events when the coach forces the players to lose, although they themselves do not want it. But they will obey because both they and the coach will get money for it. Unfortunately, strong teams often play fake matches in this way, because they need to feed their families, and they cannot get money for life anywhere else. At the same time, this often happens in small leagues.

[madnessteat]

In sports games as in many other spheres there is a human factor, there are disagreements between players and coaches, arguments, etc. So it is quite possible that for one of the reasons a team may play in such a way that the result of the game is a loss. We have all seen how the motivation and consequently the level of play of a team drops when it fails to qualify for one of the leagues or drops out of some championship. So yes, a team can play badly either for some of its own purposes, or because the result of the match will not affect the members of the team in any way.

[Gozie51]

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Although you have countered the aspect of match fixing because it happens alot during the ending of the league that you see and observe some unserious game between team just to set themselves up against the other team either to go into relegation or out of it but this usually happens with the management.

However, it is possible for players to also exibit such by themselves within the players caucus. It is usually playing against the coach if they are no longer comfortable with him. Jose Mourinho is a typical example of such suspected behavior by players while he was at Chelsea and in Seria A. If a player that has big influence in the team falls out with the coach then we can certainly expect this to happen because he may likely influence other players/friends within the club to create an artificial losses so that the management would ask the coach to go

[Yucky]

In football this happens alot because the players know very well that they influence the performance of the club and any poor performance trickles down to the man in charge, the manager!

In short, for any poor performance the person that gets the hit is the manager and not the player's, same thing happens in a place of work based on the Apex pyramid of power.

Sometimes I feel bad for the mangers, it's really not an easy role for them. A football team purposely losing a game is one not-so-professional tactic that a team use to change their coach when they are having issues with the coach, or when the coach is not doing well.
One such instance is when Lopetegui sacked was sacked as Real Madrid coach and was replaced with Santiago Solari after a poor run of results,  a 3-0 defeat to Barcelona in El Clásico.

Generally, I feel like the football/games industry needs to do better with communication, they should integrate a way that footballers can say some things and express how they feel because a footballer will not be considered nice by the fans and industry if he complains about a coach.

So most times, they just keep it in and act, and it's not really telling well of the industry. But when they create a communication path they can talk about these things and properly resolve issues with a coach and stuff like that. It happens a lot although I find the method quite off, but they do it.

[Awaklara]

Sometimes I feel bad for the mangers, it's really not an easy role for them. A football team purposely losing a game is one not-so-professional tactic that a team use to change their coach when they are having issues with the coach, or when the coach is not doing well.
One such instance is when Lopetegui sacked was sacked as Real Madrid coach and was replaced with Santiago Solari after a poor run of results,  a 3-0 defeat to Barcelona in El Clásico.

Generally, I feel like the football/games industry needs to do better with communication, they should integrate a way that footballers can say some things and express how they feel because a footballer will not be considered nice by the fans and industry if he complains about a coach.

So most times, they just keep it in and act, and it's not really telling well of the industry. But when they create a communication path they can talk about these things and properly resolve issues with a coach and stuff like that. It happens a lot although I find the method quite off, but they do it.

indeed there should be communication involving all parties in the team to discuss such things. but when the club does not accept suggestions, or the coach does not accept input from his players, what happens is only anger from the players.
bad way of playing and maybe agreed by all players or some players, of course a form of protest against the coach and club. maybe such a way is really effective to describe how the players make protests.

such a way is indeed not good to do. players may want to show everyone that the fault is in their incompetent coach. which is likely the coach will blame his players who play badly.

[Lannakosa]

The question this topic is dedicated to in full looks like this: can a football team (or a team from another sport) initiate a loss or a series of losses of its own free will in order to achieve some of its goals?
In one book about sports betting, I read an interesting case about an English football team. I will not mention its name, since not everyone agrees that this is exactly how it happened. As the author of the book wrote about it. In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?
The second case happened with one regional Russian team, whose funding was sharply reduced. In protest or simply because there was no point in playing better (according to some authors), this team also began to deliberately lose matches with equal teams.
Do you think this is the right explanation?
Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

You know, I'm pretty sure that Chelsea and Manchester United players did this when they had Mourinho as their manager (at the time when they wanted their manager to be changed). Of course, if the team doesn't agree with what the manager does, maybe because of conflicts, or other reasons, this can happen. But if we assume that a team can try to fix some result in order to get financial benefit from it, then I doubt that professional teams do this, the punishment for this can be very severe, even up to relegation to lower divisions.

[nara1892]

Yes of course I am quite sure about that, many things happen in a team that we do not know or that are not exposed to the public such as conflicts between players or players with coaches because of something like one-sided rules or maybe cutting salaries, and of course this can really affect the performance of a team when they compete, especially when a player chooses to lower his performance as a form of annoyance.

On the other hand, maybe this is also the trigger for the problem of declining performance of several teams that are currently playing, I think you know which teams are currently experiencing this problem and the point is I agree that a decline in a team's performance can occur intentionally.

[Su-asa]

Football is a competitive game and I don't think any team would initiate their own loss just like that expect if they are been bribed which rarely happens in major leagues. no matter how bad a team is losing to their opponent they try by all means necessary to either equalize or try to outdo their opponent. I don't think this is something that a reasonable team can do. Every match been lost has a high set back to the teams, they lose points and this will affect them in many ways, I don't think this is something they can do on purpose, this is just my opinion.